Buster Douglas vs. Rocky Marciano

I think this is the main point. Douglas had a rep for fading. Marciano trained possibly harder than any champion. That's part of the reason he knocked out Walcott so late in the game.

I sometimes suspect too that that is why Marciano retired. His own brutal training regimen took a lot out of him and his family time.

 

Hate to bust your bubble, but outside of Cockell, NON of the Rock's title fights were hand pick. Moore, Charles, LarSarzra all earn there title shots.

 

using that logic mcbride should have no trouble disposing of the gentleman in your avatar in about 5

 

Holyfield would never beat Marciano, He does not posses the speed & boxing ability to stay away from Marciano for fifteen rounds. Holyfield likes to eventually trade blows & that's where Marciano would get him. Smoother & better boxers tried to Box & stay away from Marciano's hammer blows & failed, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Jersey Joe Walcott. All technally better boxers than Holyfield & faster on thier feet.

 

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the only one who needs a schooling is you, you dont know Jack **** about boxing or whats inside of a MAN, douglas was a DOG, 99% of the time and a quitter, yet you love him. The class would end fast for him in the ring with Marciano much like it did when Buster faced a fighter with heart, Tyson had excellent skills but was also a quitter when the going got tough

 

I dont know why people compare weak hearted people to Dogs. Dogs are one of the most brave around. We had police and fire dogs. Dogs that are WILLING to take a bullet for there masters ete. I think we need a new saying in regards to this.

Marciano had the heart of a Lion and a Dog lol.

 

Marciano retired undefeated because he knew that it was time to do so. Otherwise he would've been KOed in near future. He handpicked his opponents and knew who he's able to beat. Moore was a natural lightheavy and had his best performances in lightheavy division. Louis was past prime and shot.
So what did Marciano achieve? He defended his title only 6 times and retired when Sonny Liston was an upcoming prospect. He knew Liston would destroy him that's all.

Now let's do the mentioned math. Douglas was 4 inches bigger than Tyson. That hight advantage helped him to win the fight. Nobody knows how he'd performed if his size were equal to Tyson's. Facing Marciano he would even have a 5 inch advantage,plus 45lbs more on his ribs. Douglas had enough power to floor Tyson. Now tell me what those 45lbs would do to Marciano.

 

And lets rember in regards to Liston, by the time Marciano retire, Liston would also spend 2 or so years in prison. It was not as if Liston was tearing though the ranks at the time. As Jantior said, Liston was still fighting 4 rounders at the time thoguh.

 

There was no one left for Marciano to defend against, Valdez was beaten by Moore and Dropped and dominated by Satterfield, there were no money fights and Marciano was losing his love for the game,gym, because of Al Weill, his manager and the guy ran 12-15 miles a day hit a 300lb heavy bag for hours, did swim punching for hours, sparred and threw boulders, I think after 6 defenses vs 5 # 1 contenders, he deserved a rest and was smart enough to get out while still in his prime, Marciano had another 4-5 fights left, Liston had not yet revenged his loss and broken jaw to 180 lb Marty Marshall which was about the same time Marciano retired and Liston was dropped again in the rematch by a 181lb Marshall, no one even considered Sonny anywhere near a threat for the title and did not get a title shot untill 9/25/62 and Marciano retired 9/21/55, 7 (SEVEN) years before, so anyone who says he ducked Liston does not know JACK**** about boxing

 

Just a common expression, I love dogs, I think that term is to express a dogs reverence to man

 

Sonny Liston.

Beating Nino Valdes doesn't mean you cleaned out the heavy div.

Louis wasn't the same fighter anymore since his weak chin was exposed by Walcott (among others). Marciano retired Louis.

Beating handpicked lightheavies or shot fighters,ducking real threats. That's no achievement.

Liston of 1958 would've annihilated Marciano. Marciano retired because he heard of Liston's success.
Marciano retired in 1955. Liston fought 8-rounders in 1955.