Buster Douglas's second best performance ?

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  1. Unforgiven

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    I like this dismantling of Mike Williams, who was at the time a very hot up-and-comer and had taken Tim Witherspoon's best shots and taken him to a split decision.
    I remember watching this on the night of the Spinks-Tyson. Douglas's use of the jab is awesome, and it's an all-round solid professional performance. Douglas beating Williams in this manner was something of a minor upset.

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  2. lefthook31

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    I know you think Douglas is a bit overated but he had some good skills from boxing his whole life and being taught by his dad. Watch how he uses feints and his jab and puts punches together. Good stuff from a heavyweight that you dont see too often.
    He looked a bit slow and chubby in that fight, but still has good overall skills.
    Even seeing Douglas against Quinne Navarre post coma was very impressive. Navarre wasnt anything special but Douglas boxed very well and stopped him.
     
  3. mr. magoo

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    Douglas showed some real class and good old school boxing in this one. Good footwork, great jabbing and nice use of the uppercut.. Both men looked reasonably fit as well, though you could definately see the vast difference in experience.. I always wondered why Mike Williams didn't materialize into something more, but then when I saw him get floored by a Douglas jab in round 4, my question was soon answered... Its amazing that the man was able to go 10 rounds with Tim Witherspoon, but I have no clue as to how Tim showed up for that fight.

    On a sidenote, I always thought that it was kinda shitty that HBO didn't show more of these undercards on their shows. I know that Tyson Spinks was paper view, but even on some of the non-paperview broadcastings, you rarely ever saw the other matches with the contenders and prospects..

    Nice footage.. Thanks a lot Unforgiven.
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    I think Williams had an okay chin but he just couldn't take Douglas's jab.
    I haven't seen Witherspoon-Williams but I know Witherspoon had KO'd tough journeyman Mark Wills in 1 just two month earlier, and weighed in at 217 (one report described him as "svelte", this was 'spoon fresh on the comeback trail).
    Douglas was just throwing the jab with bad intent this fight, and Williams was taking in flush and square on, failed to adjust and it took its toll.

    After this fight Williams disappeared, and was soon just another has-been.


    I agree. If the cameras are there the fights should be televised. Even shown at a later date (eg. the following week) would make sense.


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  5. Unforgiven

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    Douglas had some pretty good all-round skills, as did many of the heavyweights of the 80s. Many of them lacked in other areas though (training discipline, focus, dedication).

    Douglas has a bad habit of leading with a long-range right uppercut from way outside, something Evander Holyfield exploited and executed the counter to perfection.
     
  6. mr. magoo

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    It does seem shameful that a talented and athletically fit young prospect like Willims just stopped fighting after the Douglas fight, and didn't resurface until 3 years later, as just a build-up opponent for other fighters.... Of course, there are countless numbers of reasons why that may have happened, ie. Lack of desire, injury, health issues, legal trouble, family problems, or maybe he found a decent job opportunity or something.... In either case, I think he had the potential to become at least a respectable fringe contender or better, had he stayed active and been managed properly.
     
  7. joe33

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    Williams played union cane in rocky 5
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, all I can say is : for anyone remotely normal professional boxing is an incredibly tough way to earn a living.
    I guess you'd have to really want it want it to take a defeat like that and put it behind you and move onward and upward. We tend to concentrate a lot on the small proportion of fighters who do have that mindset and ability. I dont believe in quitting a dream, but for many the desire and the belief just isn't there. When all is said and done, Mike Williams achieved more in the game - amateur and pro - than most others who try it ever did.
     
  9. Rubber Warrior

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    Fluidity and timing were a big part of a ready, focused and mentally fit Douglas. At his best he was an extraordinary heavyweight, or a potentially extraordinary heavyweight, as we saw against Tyson, and to a lesser degree, a few others. Some will point to the so-so nature of his chin, but given that fact, it underlines all the more how good he really as an offensive force when he was "right" both spiritually and mentally, for a given assignment.
     
  10. lefthook31

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    Yes he did, and credit to Holyfield for timing that shot, and picking it up. If you watch that fight, Holy used his feint to get Douglas to throw it, and then unloaded with that counter. Douglas himself tried to use the uppercut more of a timing shot as his opponent came forward but as you said throwing an uppercut from the outside is a big no no.
     
  11. lefthook31

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    I never really saw Douglas get knocked out besides the Monaco fight where he was hit after the bell. He could have continued against Tucker and he could have gotten up and continued against Holyfield. As Ive said, he had that same look on his face when Tyson dropped him, but he somehow convinced himself to get up and keep fighting which Im sure was attributed to his life events at the time.
     
  12. Russell

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    Gah, beaten to the rare knocked down by a jab moment from this fight.

    Other times I remember this happening.

    Holmes against Ocassio.

    I've seen Courage Tshabalala do it.

    Brown against Norris. :lol:
     
  13. jont

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    How did Douglas do against McCall...I remember hearing the story of Oliver telling Tyson to be careful of Douglas after he lost a decision to Buster and that Mike blew off his comments and said that Oliver ****ed around and lost to Douglas....
     
  14. choklab

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    wiliams was much beter than was made to look. However in boxing its all about geting the right opponent at the right stages of development. Im thinking wiliams people took a calculated risk on douglas and since nobody could forecast what douglas was going to do in the future on paper it looked like they were right to. After all buster had had his chance at the title and though hed beaten 3 trial horses since was surly on the way down in the greater scheme of things?
    douglas may not have looked like superman on the way up but he was matched prety hard early beating 5 unbeaten prospects in his first 2 years in the pros. He got good competative rounds in against tex cobb, page, unbeaten ferguson (who edged him on pts) before slipping up against tucker. williams people gambled on busters career taking a turn for the worse at that time but got it wrong.
    Looking at the fight I think it was a bad beating, no wonder wiliams was out for 3 years after that. He took a lot of shots off a big guy.

    and would beat mccall and berbick before geting Tyson.
     
  15. Jorodz

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    surprised no shout outs to the first 9 or so rounds against tucker. wasn't his best but he did quite well until the end