But but it isn't the amateurs...

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  1. Cuban Bon Bon

    Cuban Bon Bon Proverbs 9:10 Full Member

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    I have been saying it for years that the absolute best " amateurs " can beat the very best pros, especially the Cuban fighters who are considered the best in the World. Many Cuban amateur greats have failed at pro greatness mainly because of lack of discipline and the free World temptations.

    But to some dedicated ones like Rigondeaux, Gamboa, Lara, Casamayor and others have shown what Cuban boxing is all about. The best is yet to come!

    :good
     
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  2. irishny

    irishny Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Who says thre IS more.

    What about all the countless great Latino fighters who had pretty much NO amateur experience??

    Or the Asians at the lower weights?
     
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  3. Pimp C

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    Still a great amateur career doesn't always mean great pro success. Just because Rigo has look good with a stellar amateur career doesn't mean everyone else will. I don't get why this is so hard to understand?
     
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  4. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    As someone else pointed out, you need to take their amateur careers as a whole. A dominant amateur generally makes a dominant pro. One fight doesn't prove my point, the history of boxing proves my point. Stop looking at exceptions to the norm, and if you do look at the exceptions think about what other variables are involved, and look at how impressive their am career actually was.
    Of course it means nothing when you mention names like Audley and Khan. How about when I mention names like Ali, Robinson, Leonard, Whitaker, DLH, Jones jr., Ward, Mayweather, Tarver etc. etc.? Those are just US fighters, all the soviet and Cuban fighters would've been doing great things if they were allowed to turn pro as well. US boxing is in a terrible state in the amateur game, that's why there is little talent appearing on the pro scene and we're forced to hype up guys like Lacy and Berto, Russell and Broner. Ward was the last of a dying breed. Oh hey there's another guy who no one gave a chance of winning the super six because all he'd done was win gold in the amateurs. This is the pro game, completely different sport :roll:
     
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  5. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Of course there are no absolutes with anything, my point is that good amateurs tend to be good pros, because boxing is boxing. I don't get why this is so hard to understand?
    Amateur achievements should never be dismissed, just as they should never be used as definitive proof of pro success. Most on here completely dismissed Rigo's amateur career/achievements and now they all look stupid.
     
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  6. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Try opening your eyes. Those guys pro careers are their amateur careers, boxing experience is boxing experience, whether in the sport or in the paid ranks.
     
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  7. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    And the reason why I'm crowing on this thread is because before Rigo-Donaire when we had this discussion there were a number of posters saying that Rigo-Donaire will show the difference between a good PRO and a good AMATEUR. Okay then, if you say so. :lol:
     
    dealt_with, Apr 15, 2013
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  8. Dr. Seuss

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    Lomanchenko is not as good Rigo.

    Be realistic.

    And Rigo can fight at any range as well.
     
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  9. Dr. Seuss

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    GGG also said the amateur game and pro game are different in that same interview.
     
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  10. browsing

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    You can't possible be serious about this this line here. You just can't be serious, perhaps you were a little bit excited whilst typing.
     
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  11. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Lomachenko is even better than Rigo, not one bit of doubt in my mind. Rigo can't fight on the inside, if he can he hasn't shown it in the 10 or so years I've been watching him.
     
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  12. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I'm still excited by Rigo's win, but being objective and logical I know that Lomachenko is a level above. Wait and see.
     
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  13. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    what an incredibly mundane claim to make.
     
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  14. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There are very few, and I mean VERY few extremely polished pros who fight at the highest level for a long time who have little to no amateur experience. The closest thing you will find is a Mexican who started fighting at 16 in lieu of fighting in the ams.

    I've repeatedly said here that I have a soft spot for pro fighters with great amateur careers, and there's a reason. These guys bring a certain mastery of their craft that almost no other pros have. It's beautiful to watch someone who is THAT polished.

    Look at the top 10 p4p right now. You have 3 Olympic Gold medalists in Ward, Rigo, Wlad. These guys aren't leaving that list any time soon because they have already reached the top of their divisions and have a tremendous amount of experience to keep them there.
     
    Slyk, Apr 15, 2013
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  15. Dr. Seuss

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    Unless Lomachenko has Pacquaio or Martinez like athleticism, he better stick to the outside as well.

    It is very difficult for a southpaw, especially if they go up and weight and are dwarfed in height to be effective against a good counterpuncher.

    If he's an aggressive inside fighter, he may be a highlight reel knockout at some point; however, if he mainly fights at range, and has quickness and precision, but has the ability to adapt and fight inside, that's another story, but Rigo fights the way he does for a reason.

    It makes him much harder to beat.
     
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