Bute and the Super Six

Why? If Ward had beaten Bute instead of Kessler, everyone would be bitching about not inviting the No. 1 guy in the division.

If Dirrell had beaten Bute instead of Abraham, everyone would be complaining about not inviting an undefeated fighter with a PfP KO punch.

Bute hasn't beaten anyone at the level of the Super Six, including the version of Taylor whom Abraham defeated. Andrade and Miranda are B-fighters.

I like Bute, but let's not build him into something he isn't (yet).

 

what about allan green, what has he done yet to warrant a place in such a tournament?

 

You should concentrate on the fact that prior to the start of the "Super 6", Abraham, Kessler, Froch, Bute & Taylor all had accumulated more credentials than either Dirrell & Ward, therefore it's logical to think those 5 guys should have been automatically chosen ahead of the other 2 in that regard...

 

Exactly. And let's not forget that it is W. Sauerland, the promoter of both Abraham and Kessler, that pitched the tournement idea to Showtime.

 

He's American, and obviously it was too late to get Bute at that point. Showtime wanted three Americans if at all possible, which is understandable.

 

:huh

Not building him in any way.
Just saying that the guy is good for tv and now HBO owns it.
Thats why i think SHowtime may regrets.

DId Dirrell and Ward beat "anyone at the level of the Super Six" before they got in? :huh

 

You aren't seeing this from Showtime's perspective. An American network with an American subscriber base wants to build American stars.

Rather than having Dirrell and Ward fight once or twice on Showtime before defecting to HBO (the way Chad Dawson did), they decided to lock them in marquee fights and hope they perform well.

That strategy has worked out brilliantly.

 

Difficult to argue with Taylor, Green, Ward and Dirrel???? what was Dirrel best win, Oganov, Paschall?? Taylor never done anything at 168lbs and Green lost to....wait...it was Miranda..

Lucian should really fight the winner of Dawson/Pascal, sad but this is the only fight that mean something, but at 168, 175 or catchweight?

 

See my previous post about Showtime wanting Americans. I wanted Bute invited over Taylor (as it was obvious he was on the decline, unlike Ward and Dirrell), but I can understand why they did what they did.

Not having a go at Bute, but people criticizing Showtime have to remember the financial realities.

Bute and Dawson/Pascal is the fight I want to see, and then the ultimate winner of that series would be in line to take on the Super Six winner in a mega-fight.

 

He's a great champion but this tournament works. Not one promoter or fighter objected to the first-round draw. They all said ‘put me in front of anyone.’ Each promoter feels their guy is ready to take this tournament.’

Really implies that Bute and/or his promoters were difficult, therefore Showtime moved on. It does not say he was not contacted or considered, merely that a formal invitation was not extended. Showtime was showing Bute fights and couldn't slam thier own guy, then put him back on.

 

So it was for the ''good'' of american boxing.....:huh

 

Again, though, Showtime made an investment in young fighters. Taylor was on the slide and everyone knew it, but he still had a big name and was coming off a very competitive defeat to Froch.

I was among the many who was disappointed Bute didn't get in, but I understand Showtime's position, too. (My argument was that Bute would have ended up doing more for the tournament than Taylor, but so it goes.)

Ultimately, Bute vs. Dawson/Pascal is a great fight and should net Lucian big dollars, win or lose.

 

No, it was for the good of Showtime.

 

Of course Showtime always wanted to have 3 Americans in order to involve themselves with that tournament. I was answering to your post where it just sounded like all the fighters within the tournament belonged there more than Bute, not taking nationality into consideration...

At this point, the only thing that may have backfired on them is the fact that Taylor is pretty much done, therefore Bute would certainly be much better for them at this point. Bute had already fought on SHOWTIME a few times before. I'm sure now they regret not approaching Bute even if it meant having 2 Americans instead of 3.

 

Not criticizing at all.
Just saying that, like any company, they may regret that missed opportunity.

You said Bute hasn't beat "anyone at the level of the Super Six" to justify the fact he's not there.

Again, just asking did Ward and Dirrel beat "anyone at the level of the Super Six" BEFORE getting in?

If its just about nationality then fine, i understand perfectly.
Just don't come in with the "deserving thing".
All good :good