Bute Andrade - outrageous refereeing

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  1. TheDuke

    TheDuke Let me marry Boxed Ears Full Member

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  2. Kegsy

    Kegsy Lights Out Full Member

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    Tell me about it...Andrade got hell screwed.
     
  3. BoxingTrashTalk

    BoxingTrashTalk Active Member Full Member

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    I remember Bute always getting rocked during the amatuers.
     
  4. BoxingTrashTalk

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    If that was me, i would have knocked out the ****en ref.

    Some things just need to be done. And the ref needed to know.

    What a disgrace. ****en cheat ref!
     
  5. TheDuke

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    We know that boxing is fishy, but **** man, you could almost see the terror in the refs eyes when Bute goes down. He looks at Buites corner and paces around doesn't even start counting until Bute is up then realises it's still not enough so turns around and screams at Andrade

    That is ****ing heartbreaking stuff
     
  6. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    You have got to feel for Andrade thats for sure.
     
  7. ipswich express

    ipswich express Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lads, I'd like to know where you're seeing the controversy. If Andrade did in fact leave his corner, the rules stipulate that the count is suspended. Regardless, the round would've ended before Andrade would get the chance to punch Bute again. All Lucien had to do was get to his feet before ten (which he did) and show that he was alright to continue.
     
  8. pecks

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    From what I've heard (haven't seen), Andrade was only a step or so from the ropes. You dont have to be leaning against the ropes in this situation.

    Also, Bute was supposed to rise to his feet and show he was fit to continue, regardless of the fact that the time was up.
    He got up, was leaninjg against his corner, and the ref never made him walk forward or anything.

    It was terrible refereeing.
     
  9. ipswich express

    ipswich express Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He got to his feet and raised his hands. The ref should have made him walk forward, but it's not compulsory to do so. Andrade would never had the chance to punch him again, so whether he left the corner or not is moot.
     
  10. pecks

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    It gave Bute a lot more time to get to his feet though, so it is relevant.
     
  11. ashley

    ashley Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yep no way Bute could have kept fighting.....but very hard to call ko at that stage.
     
  12. ipswich express

    ipswich express Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It didn't because he was up at the count of 8... Watch the timer.
     
  13. TheDuke

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    Lost a post.

    On youtube there is quite good footage of the big screen at the arena and below it you can see the actual ring.

    Andrade did wander out too far for his own good (obviously), but that being said the refree was complicit in making sure Bute was not counted out. The look he gives butes corner is mindblowing - like "what do i do?". His count starts crazily late.

    He did everything in his power to ensure Bute held on. And that is the main issue, not a pedantic interpretation of rules.
     
  14. pecks

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    We'll have to agree to disagree.

    I just think theres a difference to being up and being ready to continue. Regardless of there being no time left, he still should have been made to get up and stabalize himself, insteasd up just getting to his feet while leaning against the ropes.

    Had there of been no delay in the count, and Bute being made to walk forward, touch gloves ect, I'm not so sure he could have done it.

    Also, is it really up to the refs discretion if he wants a fighter to walk forward or not? If it is, then thats a **** rule, as it paves the way for dodgy situations.
     
  15. JOSEY WALES

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    Well at least its stfu all those deluded French /Canadians up who were proclaiming the Romanian as the next Clay . FFS he was well out of it and if i was Andrade this morning i would be punching myself in the face , all he had to do was remain in a neutral corner and the win would have been his , i will say this though it appears the ref was looking to save Bute there . rules are rules but i wonder if it would have gone down like that if the bout wasn't being staged in Montreal ?