Bute Andrade - outrageous refereeing

That doesn't show it at all.

 

After reading up on this some more, it appears all Bute had to do was make it to his feet even if he was still groggy ect, and despite the ref showing favouritism towards him, he did get up before 10 even if the count was fair.

So I retract my original thoughts on the matter, and am happy to declare Bute the fair winner.

 

I never really rated Bute too highly but after seeing his performance against Andrade i was impressed with his skill.

It really was a case of the ref trying to save Bute like you say. Good fight and you good sense the whole way through that it wasnt over til the very end.

Doesnt matter who has the W on their record, we all know Bute got bashed at the end. Lucky it wasnt a 15 rounder

 

Here’s the Montreal Gazette’s take on it. I just love Itskowitch’s (from Golden Boy) quote:

I've never seen anyone count to 10 like that.

Bute's title defence ends in controversy

Herb Zurkowsky, Canwest News Service Published: Sunday, October 26, 2008

MONTREAL -- All Lucian Bute required was three more minutes. Three minutes to dance, bob and weave, perhaps land the occasional punch, but, more importantly, protect himself. Three more minutes to easily retain his International Boxing Federation super-middleweight championship.
Bute remains one of the 168-pound division's champs today. He remains undefeated. But, for as long as he retains the belt, there will always be an asterisk associated with his reign. And, because of it, the sport of boxing, yet again, is mired in controversy. So what else is new?

"Just when you think you've seen it all, you see something else. This is unbelievable," said David Itskowitch, the chief operating officer for Golden Boy Promotions. "Boxing was robbed of a great moment. I've never seen anyone count to 10 like that.

"There's a perception in the U.S. you can't come to Canada and win a fair decision. Now, you can't score a knockout and win. It's disconcerting. This is a black eye for boxing."

This is boxing where an outsider, arguably, can't go to Germany, either, and get a fair decision. Just ask Eric Lucas. Five years ago, he ventured overseas, losing his World Boxing Council super-middleweight crown to Markus Beyer on a split-decision.

Or how about Montreal's Hermann NGoudjo? Twice he ventured to the U.S. and, arguably, got robbed - losing a split-decision to Jose Luis Castillo and a unanimous verdict to IBF light-welterweight champ Paul Malignaggi.

Stuff happens. This is boxing. It's a subjective sport. No two judges will see things the same. Even the referee's interpretation can become the subject of review.

By now you've probably heard Bute was knocked down in the 12th and final round by Librado Andrade on Friday night at the Bell Centre. Bute made the grievous mistake of mixing it up in the last round of a fight he was comfortably leading. Although Bute has the talent, moves and footwork to avoid danger, he decided it was more important to put on a show for the 16,266 fans - and nearly lost his title in the process.

Andrade, who only knows one way to fight - coming forward - chased Bute around the ring throughout the 12th. He never stopped punching. Bute looked like he was going to hang on, somehow, until falling, for the first time in his pro career, from a right hand.

That's when all sense of normalcy came to an end.

Bute eventually arose, but clearly benefited from referee Marlon Wright's long count - a count that was delayed and interrupted when Andrade, according to the referee's interpretation, didn't remain in a neutral corner. This manoeuvre simply accorded Bute additional time to recover. His trainer, Stephan Larouche, said only four seconds remained when Bute was knocked down, according to the Showtime TV monitor he had at ringside.

Get up and keep the title. It was that simple.

Bute arose, but clearly was groggy and exhausted, teetering against the ropes. He appeared unable to continue, but was saved by the bell. Even losing a 10-8 round at the end made no impact on the three judges' scorecards. They had Bute ahead by eight-, five- and four-point margins. Of course, Bute would have had his own 10-8 round in the 10th, when he dropped Andrade from a lunging left to the body followed by a short right, although it was the tangling of legs, as much as anything, that contributed to this knockdown.

"By most people's count, it was at least five seconds before the count started," said Itskowitch, noting an immediate appeal was being filed with IBF headquarters. "The referee counted to six two times. He told (Andrade) to go to the corner and counted six again. The count took 24 seconds. Look at the tape."

In boxing, as in life, there are always three sides to every story. Itskowitch is upset, justifiably so, because his company has lost money it would have generated by promoting a world champion. We're not condoning Wright's reaction, but he was the third man in the ring, a former boxer himself.
Just so you know, Montreal's Guy Jutras, who has handled 81 title bouts as a judge or referee, said Wright, technically, did nothing wrong. Jutras explained if a boxer leaves the corner during a knockdown, the referee can stop his count.

"It's up to the interpretation of the ref," explained Jutras, chairman of the officials' committee for the World Boxing Association. "There's a common-sense application of the rule."

Did Wright use common sense? Jutras is too wise to dive into that debate.

None of this, of course, will placate Andrade or his trainer Howard Grant. They believe they were stiffed, and they're certainly entitled to their opinion. Grant, who should know better, unwisely accused Wright and the IBF supervisor Hiawatha Knight of being on the take.

"He (Bute) was completely out . . . on the floor," Andrade charged. "Everyone saw he was out. He was completely out and there shouldn't have been a count. I don't think it was fair. I knew I wasn't going to get a decision; I had to knock him out. And I completely knocked him out."

Thirty more seconds and Andrade's arm might have been raised in victory. Instead, he'll return home to Las Vegas, convinced a Montreal-based referee cost him the title.

Andrade can only hope it's not his last title shot.

And Bute, we're sure, won't try to be a hero next time.

Montreal Gazette

 

Andrade left his corner and made it almost as far as the centre of the ring:


Watch at 1:24.

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This is the rule the referee applied in this case:

"4. When a contestant has been knocked down, the referee will order the standing contestant to the farthest neutral corner and begin the count. If the contestant standing leaves the corner before the count has been completed, the referee shall discontinue the count and
order the standing contestant back into the corner. The count will not resume until the standing contestant has returned to the neutral corner."

You want to see a real KO?

Here you go, mate:

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The split screen certainly puts a different perspective on things!

In the original video it looks like the refs just gone walkbout. But the split screen plainly shows that Andrade is not in the corner, and the ref is hellbent on him being there before he does anything else.

 

He was applying the rules. The ref had been pissed off by Andrade all night for disregarding his commands; this wasn't the first time. Quite a few times, Andrade ignored his command to break, when they were fighting on the inside and on two occasions, Andrade engaged after the break before the referee ordered them to restart, catchin Bute by surprise and almost knocking the ref out of the way in the process. When you add to this repeated use of the head and elbows...you can see why the ref was pissed off Andrade was trying to gain an unfair advantage with Bute fighting to get up and beat the count.

 

Decebal.

You need to realize. Win, loose or draw. Butes stocks dropped on friday night.

He was a close competitor to Kessler, many thought before the fight. Now i would happily pick the likes of Kessler, Froch, Andrade, Taylor to beat him.

Big stamina problems.

 

So...what does that have to do with the "outrageous refereeing" and with "Andrade being robbed blind" again, Gav?

 

Everything. Bute was knocked out in the 12th okay.

Even if he has the win on boxrec. It doesn't mean ****. Fans are the ultimate judges in this sport.

And Bute has just ruined his reputation pretty much.

Hes no match for Kessler now.

I can't see why you guys defend this blatant corruption. Sure your right by the rules. But the rules are never bloody implemented. I have seen 4 hundred million fights, where fighters have been closer to the other fighter, then Andrade was. E.G Mayweather Hatton, Mosely Mayorga, it just goes on and on. Yet Andrade is the guy who gets called for it.

Be honest Decebal If Bute was behind on the scorecards and he knocked Andrade down at the end, he would have won by KO.

Blatant corruption.

 

Yeah...and Soliman was robbed against Mundine every time they fought, just like Green was robbed every time he lost against Mundine...the fans know it; it doesn't matter what boxrec says.

 

atsch

 

You know it too; everyone does. Sure, not everyone likes to admit it, but everyone knows Soliman beat Mundine three times now.

 

Thanks for posting that Decebel. Case closed. Andrade was well out of the corner, and therefore breaking the rules. If people have a problem with whether Bute was in a state to continue, I have no problems with that, but the count was completely accurate.

 

LOL your taking the **** now?