Bute beat the count... easily

No you can't. You can also copy paste the rules surrounding the reasons for a fight being stopped based on a KO and for a fighter being stopped based on a TKO. And then you can use your clear as mud powers of duduction to determine whether or not one or both apply to the situation you just out lined. If you check out some of my other points you can see my opinion on this.

I have to go here but I'll leave you to it.

 

Obviously no one understands the rules as well as Andrei does :shock:

I think he might be right though... Here's the dictionary again:

So Bute was not saved by the bell - he was NOT lying on the mat when the bell rang in the final round.

Ultimately the question is this:

Once a boxer beats the count - in the sense that he becomes vertical - does the referee have to check if he is fit to continue and stop the fight if not? I think only the rules can answer that, and the ones posted by Big Bone are too brief to answer the question...

 

Didn't see the fight. But it sounds like BUTE wont have any problems beating Andrade if they fight again. All he had to do was stay way the last round. Let's say the referee saved him. He still dominated most of the fight.

 

exactly.

he virtually slumped into the corner post. atsch

the ref didn't take that count up correctly in the first place.

he started at something like 4.

that's way off. :roll:

bute got well lucky. :bart

 

I think I understand them tooMy point is the refree counted after Bute got up. If the fight is over, why count ? My guess is its because the fight is NOT over. He even starts the fight again, so the bell can ring. So he must have deemed Bute fit to fight. No ?

 

See above. If you buy Andrei's view then it should have been neither.

The boxer goes down at, say, 2:57. Stays on the mat for 8 secs. He is not saved by the bell as the bell does not ring at 3:00 and the fight is not stopped then. If you think the referee does not need to check that he is fit to continue, but that all that the boxer needs to do is stand on his feet - then the moment he stands (as say 3:05) the fight should be stopped.

I think an interesting comparison is Lyakovich - Briggs, where Lyakovich lost the fight in a similar set of circumstances (though it was WBO and not IBF rules). Anyone remembers what happened there?

 

he deemed him fit to fight.

because he picked the count up way wrong.

he was way off.

the commentator was right when he said that bute was up at 9.

but even then he was f*cked.

the ref just flat out messed up here. atsch

 

I'm with you. If Andrei is right the ref should have stopped the fight as soon as Bute was standing. Since his version needs both the bell-man and the ref not knowing the IBF rules, it is slightly suspicious...

Still, the above is not impossible and only the full set of rules can clarify what exactly the ref needs to do and check after a knockdown.

 

The ref is given the count by someone ringside. If 4 was wrong, then that was not the ref's fault.

 

Actually the ref started at 6 but nevermind.The question is for what should have he been ready to continue if the fight was over?

 

well the chief second was wrong then. :yep

bute got well lucky.

even the bute fans have to admit that. :hey

 

The ref clearly wanted to make sure the bell rang when he started the fight again. That way there were no chance Andrade could get to Bute once more.
He looked at Bute, knew he was gone then started to yell at Andrade to waste time. If we are to believe Andri, then there were no reason to do that. No reason to count. I find it hard to believe the ref did the right thing.

 

Let me clarify. I doubt the IBF rule means If you can stand you can't lose.

 

I guess the ref should ask himself: Would he at any other time in the fight have let the fight continue with the condition of Bute? If the answer is No, then it is a TKO, if the answer is yes the we go to the scorecards.

After this the ref should ask himself if he thinks he is competent to lead a fight again.

 

and that is my point. Well put.

:good