Bute beat the count... easily

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  1. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Timeline of events:

    1. Bute goes down with two seconds remaining in the round.

    2. Count reaches six when Andrade leaves the corner. Bute is already climbing to his feet by this time.

    3. Referee tells Andrade to go back to the corner, as the rules state, and then picks up the count at six. Bute is already on his feet at the time.

    4. Bute signifies his abiliity to continue by raising his gloves after the eight count is completed.

    5. This is something that I'm surprised no one has caught...Bute steps forward as the official signals action to resume just before the bell rings.

    6. Fight ends as twelve three minute rounds have been completed.

    Whether the fight should have been stopped prior to the kd is another question, but Andrade did not have time to KO Bute following the kd, as the fight was over.
     
  2. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    What 10 seconds when there were 3 seconds left?Andrade wouldn't have reached Bute to throw 1 punch
     
  3. CArealm

    CArealm Active Member Full Member

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    he did not beat the count because he was leaning on the ropes. you must be able to stand on your own and Bute couldnt. even with the extended count he still couldnt stand on his own. in reality Andrade won by ko.
     
  4. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Well the rules say he has to be touching the canvas only with his feet which he was but he was kinda out,the rest is up for the ref's objectivity
     
  5. CArealm

    CArealm Active Member Full Member

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    he's gota be standing on his own power which he wasnt.
     
  6. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    You hit it right on the head....
     
  7. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    At the count of 8 he was
     
  8. gambleer

    gambleer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He was up, but he was hang up on the ropes, imo.
     
  9. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    At 8 not really,he takes a step
     
  10. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The fight should have been stopped when Lucian was stumbling back on unsteady feet from corner to corner and it wasn't b'cause he was the hometown guy. Nothing else could be said.
     
  11. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mayorga was already down on 2 scorecards going into the 12th so that wasnt counting the 2 KDs in the 12th he wouldve lost a clear decision. Plus Mayorga was out he couldnt even sit up his body had no movement at all and his eyes where barley open he was basically knocked out cold. Bute got up at 6 secounds thats totally different.
     
  12. watcher

    watcher Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah, there's absoutley no controversy in stopping the champion who wins the match by a large margin as soon as he gets wobbly in the end of the 12th.
     
  13. boxingwizard

    boxingwizard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I thought Bute beat the count too, but 30 more seconds in the round and Bute would've been out.
     
  14. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    thats how i see it.

    not even 30 seconds. Andrade ran out of time.
     
  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I am afraid that is wrong. According to the rules, the referee was not allowed to give Bute a standing eight count.

    7. There is NO Standing Eight (8) Count.

    He had to wait for him to fall down helplessly unto the ropes or fall to the ground to call it a knockdown. The fact that he was stumbling back on unsteady feet from corner to corner was not enough to allow the referee to declare him technically knocked out, according to the rules.

    1. A boxer shall be deemed to be down when any part of his body except his feet are on the floor, or if he is hanging helplessly over the ropes as a result of a legal blow as ruled by the referee, who is the only person authorized to determine this.

    Why should the referee deprive Bute of his title when he hadn't even been knocked down yet? Because he had a very big lead on the scorecards? It doesn't make sense!​