Bute fans;Do you TRULY believe your guy can beat Ward?If so,why and how?

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  1. BeastsideBoxing

    BeastsideBoxing "The Thrill" Gavril Full Member

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    I dissected Froch-Bute , I don't know how Ward-Bute will end up but I'd like to know. I remember this guy had a good insight of the fight :

     
  2. watcher

    watcher Active Member Full Member

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    Right... Ward will nullify Bute's offense better than he nullified Abraham's offense. Everything that worked against someone perceived as a limited brawler with huge stones who relies on scoring a knockout when far behind on the cards (Froch) will work even better against someone who barely lost any rounds in his career and dominates his opponents and takes them out.

    It's funny, when Bute was coming up and KOing everyone in front of him, people on ESB said he was just blowing them out with too much power. When he turned Berrio into a bobblehead and had a few opponents go the distance by running from him in the ring, those same people were saying Bute didn't have 1-shot KO power, he was relying on speed and accumulation. Now again, it's his KO power that wins him matches and without it, he's a helpless bum. :nut Will you guys make up your minds?
     
  3. Post Box

    Post Box I'm back too, bitches Full Member

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    In order for Bute to win he would have to up his workrate, throw a solid jab all night using footwork to turn Ward whenever he engages in an attack, Bute can't afford to be on the backfoot waiting to time Ward all night, he will have to unleash fast and hard combos from the outside to keep Andre honest. I really can't see Bute having much success in counter punching Ward so pushing the pace is his best chance of victory
     
  4. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :deal:goodSuperb breakdown SJS.I agree it wouldn't be a "fight for the ages"
    Got ugly chess match written all over it.
     
  5. BeastsideBoxing

    BeastsideBoxing "The Thrill" Gavril Full Member

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    You can't be more wrong. Ward's Challenge is at SMW against Bute and Dirrell, the LHW will be a piece a cake with the exception of Hopkins who he will not fight. All the respect for Dawson but he loses fights he wasn't suppose to lose. He lacks something and I don't see him filling his shortcomings.
     
  6. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bute will not be a challenge for Ward, I'm sorry but he won't. The fight will be at close quaters and ugly, Bute can't win fighting that type of fight with Ward, Unless Bute is in fact the one who dictates the fight then he will lose, and I don't see him having the attributes to do that.

    Dirrell would have success for 4 rounds until he is figured out and timed, due to Ward's very high Boxing IQ and the same attribute of Virgil Hunter in his corner. This will turn into another rough fight eventually which is where Ward will take over.

    I agree with Dawson lacking something mentally, but he's much bigger and probably faster, if he can focus, then he can win, though I'd still favour Ward because of the afformentioned mental lapses that Dawson is prone too.

    Hopkins won't fight Ward, though that would be fascinating to watch.

    And I'm not a Ward fan so to speak, but I do appreciate him.
     
  7. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    Salut , scuza-ma dar sugatorii astia de pula de la esb + anumiti useri sunt extraordinar de rasisti si ipocriti ( cu albii de alta nationalitate ) . Tin numai cu cioroii lor !! Intentionat fac asta . Am observat ca tu incerci sa fii obiectiv cu ei dar ei tot pun gaz pe foc aiurea ca sa te certi cu ei si nu sunt banati sau avertizati macar.

    Oricum imi bag pula in mortii lor si ma pis/slobozesc pe site-ul lor de cacat !

    Te salut si sper ca Lucian sa-i invinga pe sclavii lor (actualii boxeri ai lor )!
     
  8. gunmike1

    gunmike1 Member Full Member

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    Sure, and because Bute outboxed Johnson he's the new Pernell Whittiker. Bute has speed, power, and boxing ability. He's #2 in the division behind Ward and has a shot to beat Ward, but he's the underdog. Ward has proven himself to be very versatile against opponents a level (or two) above what Bute has faced. Ward is good outside, inside, switches southpaw very effectively, and is very physically strong. Bute would definitely have his moments but I don't see him being able to turn the fight his way for long periods of time because Ward is extremely slick and can make excellent adjustments. Ward was able to frustrate Kessler and Froch while putting some hurt on them. I think Bute will be a better test than either of those 2 guys but I see Ward winning a UD. Maybe Bute will be able to carry through his performance levels up to the elite level against Ward, and if he beats Ward I'll give him his due, I just think Ward is the better fighter.
     
  9. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I still think that division goes stale when the three I mentioned square off.LHW isn't that great but I think at least two of the three will have to go there eventually,just to make weight.
     
  10. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And I hope you'd be a level above the pervert who keeps talking about cocks and is too much of a coward to debate with people who he knows will destroy him in English.At least you try to back your arguments up.
     
  11. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    o iau pe mata la pula razand in mortii matii de tarfa parsiva , slobozimi-as eu ,Bute si toti fanii lui pe crucea matii de cacat. O dai la intors acuma dupa ce deschizi topicuri anti-Bute si incitii fanii , al dreaq de parsiv !


    Esti o tarfa parsiva si ipocrita tu si Mr Magic + altii !!

    Luati-as trompeta in belengher !! :hey:yep :hi:
     
  12. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Still a pervert/snitch/coward.:hand:blabla:nutcase:zzz:reggie
     
  13. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    tu stii cum geme mata ?? ai auzit-o vreodata ?? nu o mai pot dezlipi de la pula !! trebuie sa chem hingherii ca sa o stapaneasca/calmeze !! :hi::deal

    You-re a nice guy but you love trolling too much !! :yep
     
  14. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    I do, but it's always been, still is a 50-50 fight to me.

    Ward hasn't exactly beaten slick southpaw counterpunchers with good power & handspeed.

    Bute hasn't exactly beaten slicker switchitting counterpunchers with extreme handspeed.


    Wide open for speculation.


    Virgil Hunter vs Stephan Larouche isn't a mismatch either, as some seem to believe.

    Bute would probably come out with Plans A & B for a Ward fight, mind you Ward will always have plans C, D and E in his backpocket anyway.


    If Bute can time Ward coming in bent forward with 1-2's like he did to several of his opponents, I think he can do some damage. Bute's head movement is underrated on here, he's no Pernell but he's definitely miles ahead of Froch and AA in that department. Ward will either potshot him from a safe distance and use variations in angle as well as range (quick in & out's a la Kessler), or try to outmuscle Bute on the inside for the most part. Bute's power, relative speed, and accuracy will be the game changers. Say Bute keeps Ward honest after catching him hard to the body, he might be more effective picking his shots and fight his fight.

    Bute or Ward UD, 50-50.
     
  15. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    At last!:good
    I had my own theory about Bute trying to keep a distance,leading with his left,and moving to Ward's right with the left leading to keep Ward's right hand busy.At some point he'd have to come inside,trying to keep Ward's head in tight with the left and using the right to the body in the clinches.

    But that's why I've never got further than light sparring and Andre Ward has Olympic gold and the S6 to his name.What the **** do I know?:think

    I just think Ward is capable of nullifying any gameplan.