Bute fans;Do you TRULY believe your guy can beat Ward?If so,why and how?

I'm going to get alot of hate for this but...it is what it is....a fit and sharpe Andre Dirrell is Ward's greatest threat...and he knows this also. Andre Dirrell is the most ATHLETICALLY talented fighter in the SM division (more so then Ward) and is on par skill wise (apart from inside game).

Before the tournament Dirrell was highly rated because of his height, reach, handspeed, ridiculous reflexes and switch hitting ability. He is a problem for EVERYONE in that division....Froch can say what he wants(I love the Cobra) but he thought his title was gone.

I have every episode of Fight Camp 360, watch episode 4 and 5, he created the blueprint for Athur Abraham, used by Froch and Ward. Also people critise Dirrell's performance in England. Let me ask you this how many young prospects go to another country for there title shot after fighting 18 fights? NOT WARD, NOT KHAN.

This guy CAN beat Bute and Ward....
(ps I'm British/English and a fan of Ward Froch & Dirrell...Bute cool too)

 

Oh, well Ward can shut him down alright. My guess is that he'd focus on continuous lateral movement, would never be a straight/linear/stationary target for Bute. Ward's up jabs are devastating. They break noses, they really do. Bute got hit by Berrio -both hands- and took the power punches well... obviously has improved on head movement and ring generalship since then. So I'm thinking Ward could hurt Bute, but only by accumulation of stiff, short punches over 8, 9, 10 rounds... small chance of Bute being in survival mode near the end. When Ward ducks punches, he does it so quickly it would take Andre Dirrell on cocaine to either steer the punches to the target (awkwardly) or pull the punch and throw with the other hand to catch him coming up. Bute ain't doing that. He'll have to take punches to land few power shots - but that's exactly where it gets interesting.


Bute's uppercut will be Hunter's to take out via strategy... who's to say Bute can't work more on the overhand left or defensive/turning left hook to the liver?

:think :hey

 

Froch is not a level or 2 above Magee in their SKILL LEVEL. Obviously, they were close on the cards at the time of stoppage. Sure, Froch has a better chin and more power but that's IRRELEVANT when talking about neutralizing someone's SKILL.
Ward was very versatile, extremely slick and made excellent adjustments in his fights with Miranda and Bika, who are miles above anyone Bute ever faced, right? atsch

 

Bute tires him with body shots. and stops him late.

I see this as a 60-40 fight for Bute. He could get outworked and loose via UD but I cant see it.

 

I disagree, the Carl Froch of today is a far more skilled fighter than the one who fought Magee or even Pascal and Taylor.

 

WTF are you talking about?? A green Bute bet a prime Bika as clear if not clearer then a current Ward ( Fight was closer then scorecards say for Ward-Bika and Bute-Bika. ) Prime Bute bet Miranda by KO. While Ward won a UD and even lost a RD or 2. atsch

 

The parts you bolded in my text are sarcasm. That's what the "right?" at the end and the atsch represent.

 

Again, I believe this is a 50-50 fight.

I however disagree with Ward fans who focus on resume rather than skill / approach.


Froch & Abraham are very good wins, but those guys were slower and less technical than Bute.

Kessler is a great win, except he uses little head movement and had had previous trouble with southpaws (Joe).

Other fights like Bika, Miranda, ****in Green are nothing to brag about. Bute smoked Miranda to a level Ward never came close in a tough brawl. That says nothing about Bute-Ward, right? There you go, don't use double standards and say it does when talking about the Kessler, Froch or Abraham fights.

 

Agreed, though Froch's physical gifts are on the slide. I mentioned Kessler in my post as well, I don't think many would argue Magee is on the level of the Kessler that Ward fought. Ward is only getting better at this point as well, his boxing IQ is increasing with every camp and every fight.

 

Couldn't say it better myself. :thumbsup

 

I agree with alot of this and respect your opinion buddy. One point I'd make is that Ward was little more than an exceptional prospect when he fought Edison Miranda. Lucian Bute was a far more polished fighter by the time he took on the Columbian.

My only qualm about Bute is that lack of a real A/A+ opponent, if he beats Ward, or even makes it an incredibly close fight, then he'll have my full respect.

 

Spoken like a true Ward record pumper.
Some (Magee himself) would say he was a much better fighter when he faced Bute a year ago than when he met Froch, as well.
Taylor would still batter Froch from pillar to post and then get KOed late.
Pascal is crap. Hopkins said he fights like an amateur and this was 3 years after the Froch fight. Can you imagine how green he was then?

 

I must admit my head sees it 50-50, but my heart is probably more in the 60-40 ballpark you mentioned.


Bute stopping Ward for 3, or even 4 belts would be massive. Enormous. Gigantic.

December 15th on HBO PPV or WCB at the very least. :good :smoke

 

Magee is as good as the Kessler that fought Ward??? No way. Lets see what Bat has to say about that. He only comes to Kessler threads so we may not see him.