Bute fans;Do you TRULY believe your guy can beat Ward?If so,why and how?

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  1. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    Inject Ward's tactics & defensive technique into Dirrell's brain, inject Bute's left hand power into Dirrell's left hand, inject Froch's heart & determination in Dirrell's heart, and given the sex appeal advantage give Dirrell Sakio Bika's wife.

    We have an unbeatable warrior.
     
  2. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I need to see Bute step up a little more before ill say he can beat Ward. He is definitely a threat is what ill say, but i havnt seen enough to say he could beat Ward at this time. Andre is too well-rounded. He's jabbing and hooking beautifully. He's also taking a page out of Floyds book with the lead left hooks and lead right hands. Bute relies too much right now on what his opponent is bringing rather than being able to create openings. He couldnt quite crack Glen Johnsons shell so that tells me he wont have much luck with cracking Wards.
     
  3. s.i.mustata

    s.i.mustata Active Member Full Member

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    ---beware, this is rather a long explanation, prepare for a long read--

    Ward has 2 class A fighters on his resume: Froch and Kessler, both legit SMW champions before the Super6. Ward beat Kessler rather easy, using very well his technique; Kessler came forward like he did in most of his fights and tried to use his rather decent hand speed, good footwork, good-very good power and his rather large arm lenght.
    . Problem: Ward was faster, Ward saw Kessler moving forward and attacked exactly before Kessler managed to land his front foot on the canvas: that made him a sure target and he couldn't react to being over and over beaten to the punch; when a frustrated Kessler tried to turn on the heat Ward moved on the inside proving Kessler had no inside game, was incapable of fighting on his back foot and was incapable of throwing punches while on the ropes.

    Against Froch, i believed Ward would win a close decision and i was wrong, Ward proved he's one class above him; Ward used his footwork and his speed moving fast to Froch's left and hit him over his low left hand with lefthooks.
    Froch tried a high-paced type of fight believing that woult tyre Ward but he wasn't fast enough; unlike Kessler, Froch managed to throw punches from every uncomfortable situation Ward created but to no avail; i though Ward would have problems going inside Froch, i expected Froch to have more athleticism and drive him back: that wasn't the case
    . This proved me Ward had a very intensive training in wresling on the inside.

    Against Abraham. Ward's key was hitting him to the body from a distance; after all he had to do was to time Abraham slow attacks and clinch him when he was trying to get his dangerous shot into play.

    Now, against Bute, Ward won't have in front of him a guy that absorbs punches with his gloves , a guy that couldn't jump back when attacked, a guy that isn't efficient fighting on his back foot, a guy that won't move his head when his opponent is trying to tag him.
    . I expect the first 3 round of Bute-Ward to be the most anti-Hagler-Hearns rounds you would ever saw: they'd wave punches at eachother testing their reactions and speed.
    I really don't see Ward having an easy time finding Bute in the ring or hit him with full power: Bute is a mover and if the other guy misses he'll have his feet planted and ready for a counter one KO punch; Ward need to punch Bute to the body as much as he can as Bute doesn't seem to like a high-paced fight; Ward must assure himself that while trying to get inside Bute won't try to elude him and counter him hard; a guy like Jonhson who's (at least) a very good inside fighter coundn't managed to get to close to Bute, he could't even land left hooks.

    . My point is : this would be a very tough fight to score; i give the edge to Bute because his power is superior and he also knows how to deploy it; i think one of the reasons he has this tremendous power is that he enters the ring 14-16 pounds over the initial weight limit, and this without losing his speed or stamina. At this point Ward and Goossen are biding their time, hoping it would be harder and harder for Bute to stay at 168; i don't like the fact that they are trying to discredit Bute;

    Let's remember , when Ward was at the beggining of the tournament (and Bute wasn't an immediate threat) he was asked who would've won the Super6 if Bute was in it instead of him, he answered it would've been between Dirrell and Bute because both had "more of the tools" in their arsenal and that he apreciates boxers with abilities
     
  4. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Excellent breakdown.:deal
     
  5. JASPER

    JASPER Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think dirrell's mental toughness is underrated. He went into the fight with froche with a poor game plan. Then he got KOed while down against AA. People act like he has then mental strength of Ortrees. Dirrell's biggest problem (is not his toughness) is that he did not make the proper adjustments in the froch fight, That comes with experience.

    I think Froch is the living embodiment of that old saying; "it is better to be lucky than good." I think he has done exceptionally well given the tools he has
     
  6. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Outstanding assessment of the respective strengths and weaknesses of the two fighters. :deal
     
  7. sabsman

    sabsman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    for once ptf i believe you are worked up, and over reacting...but i will forgive you because of flashy k.o's attackes. you seam to be letting him fuel your hate for bute fans (sorry nutthugers). dont listen to that ***** and please dont judge the rest of us with the eyes of hatered that you have for that racist ass-hole.:good i dont understand romanian but if indeed he is saying the stuff you say...reaport him or have him banned...i for one wont miss him even if he is a bute fan...
     
  8. BeastsideBoxing

    BeastsideBoxing "The Thrill" Gavril Full Member

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    :lol: I reported some dude once that was writing all sorts of insults and they did nothing. I doubt you'll ever be banned for insults, but if you post a fully dressed chick in sexy underwear you got a better chance to get a 2 years ban like me. :lol:
     
  9. sabsman

    sabsman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    prioraties in the wrong place. that racist peace of **** is a bad immage for all bute fans...