Bute must do whatever it takes to try to fight the winner of Ward vs Froch next

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  1. Dece Bal

    Dece Bal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    WHATEVER it takes.

    Even if it means fighting in Oakland/ England, even if it means taking the smaller share of the purse, even if it means Interbox having to get involved in the promotion in the opponent's back yard.

    Bute has to make this fight happen. Nothing else will do.

    Bute must do everything it takes and Interbox must be seen to be doing everything it takes to make this fight. If this fight falls through, it has to be clear that it wasn't Bute's/Interbox' fault. So, no more excuses about all negotiations being made behind the scenes and details that cannot be disclosed because Interbox is so respectable and gentlemanly.

    If negotiations fail, everything has to be made public. Details of offers made have to be made transparently. Bute and Interbox have to be seen to have done everything possible to make this fight.

    It doesn't so much matter what the result of the Bute vs. Ward/Froch winner fight is - we the fans will judge the fight with our own eyes, whatever the decisions of the judges/referee. What matters it the level of performance in the ring on the night.

    Bute and Intebox have a duty to us, his fans, who have supported him for so long, to make this fight.:deal
     
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  2. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    All Bute is required to do, is fight the winner on neutral territory (Vegas, New York, etc) and demand a fair and even split of revenues. The winner of the Super Six, whoever it may be, should be ok with that.
     
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  3. Dece Bal

    Dece Bal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Forget "should". Kessler should have fought Bute but didn't want to.

    There is still a bit of reasonable doubt that Kessler ducked Bute, at least in the mind of some of Kessler's fans.

    But this time, there should be no doubt - Bute and Interbox have to prove beyond all doubt that they were ducked if this fight doesn't happen.

    Yes, ideally, Bute should fight on neutral territory with a 50/50 split. But if it that isn't enough to make the fight, Bute should give up advantages on territory and split.
     
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  4. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm not clued up on the Bute-Kessler thing at all. What exactly happened with that?
     
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  5. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A Bute fan starts a reasonable,balanced thread with excellent points.
    Well done indeed,my man.
    Just about everything you've said makes perfect sense.He does owe you fans,because you are a very loyal and supportive bunch.The only point I would make is that (and I'm not saying this is right) the winner of the S6 will probably feel they hold a bit more juice and may not fancy an even split for a fight outside of Canada.
    Congratulations on an excellent thread:good
     
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  6. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    I can see Bute having a problem with that. Fighting out of Canada to begin with, would mean he'd be earning considerably less in a fight that wouldn't generate as much money. And if he was to then be asked to take the lesser split of that, I think he'd laugh in their face.
     
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  7. Dece Bal

    Dece Bal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What excellent points, newb? Wait for pasky2000 et co for excellent points.

    I think fair would be 50/50 in New York or Las Vegas, because even there, Bute would be the bigger (gate) draw and is the bigger star.

    But 40% for Bute is acceptable in New York or Las Vegas, as long as this fight is made, in my view, even if Bute brings as much as 80% of the gate.

    Bute will make enough money from this fight, even with 40%. He has made some good money already and he will continue to make some good money even if he were to lose, in his next remaining 7-8 fights (my estimate).

    This fight has to be about the legacy, about performance and a reward for the fans, not about money, and not even about the result that the judges will call.
     
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  8. JN43

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    The winner of super 6 shouldnt have to straight in with Bute. If they want an easy fight after a series of tough fights they can.
     
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  9. Dece Bal

    Dece Bal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    One tune-up fight is fine, you're right. But the winner has to agree to fight Bute by the end of 2012, given reasonable terms.
     
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  10. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're killing me with your good points and ability to be fair and reasonable!
    I agree Bute might have a problem with split,not saying it's right,just think Froch/Ward might argue they bring more to the table,not what I think.
    You might just have started the most measured Bute thread ever.
    I might have to lie down.:D
     
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  11. JN43

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    What I see happening most is Bute fighting the loser, whilst the winner will probably fight Kessler. That would leave a big 4 belt unification fight.
     
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  12. Dece Bal

    Dece Bal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ever? STFU newb. Bute fans are very fair and reasonable. You joined less than 2 months ago. Either that or your an alias - in which case STFU.
     
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  13. Dece Bal

    Dece Bal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is how it should be if the winner doesn't want to fight Bute straight away.

    Bute vs. loser/Kessler straight away (April/May/June 2012)

    and then Bute vs. winner (because I assume Bute would beat both the loser and Kessler) (late autumn/winter 2012)
     
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  14. Uncle Rico

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    :lol: Chill out.
     
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  15. BeastsideBoxing

    BeastsideBoxing "The Thrill" Gavril Full Member

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    Bute is the engine of Interbox and robberies are frequent in boxing, a fight against Bute and Ward should be close, a fight against Bute and Froch might be close... so robberies are a high probability in a close fight on somebody else's turf wherever that is. Yes Interbox and Bute should make noise, and soundly blame the one who ducks him or simply prefers an easier opponent just to let the fans know and put pressure on the "ducker"
    Bute should not trow all barging power and give all advantages to the Super Six winner, Hometown fans, Judges, ring size, purse cut, promotional help. Jo Jo Dan did that in Turkey he clearly won the title and look where he is now, WBC had to force Aydin for a Rematch. Won't happen with the Super Six winner.
     
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