Bute vs Johnson and Toney vs Lebedev

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by haymakerhayman, Nov 2, 2011.


  1. haymakerhayman

    haymakerhayman oggy oggy oggy Full Member

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    What does everyone reckon about the chances of a double upset this weekend? Think Johnson has a chance of stopping bute if he catches him, look at his first fight against andrade when Bute was out on his feet! Johnson would of finished him given that chance! An with Lebedev been so crude I really fancy James Toneys chances if he's lost the weight the right way an hasnt got OLD OLD over night! lol thinking of puttin a small bet on with both Toney an johnson to win by anymeans, and putting them into an accumulater! 10er would pay back over £400! Whats everyone reckoning?
     
  2. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Toney has a much better chance. I love what Johnson epitomises but this is another showcase fight for Bute. He knows Glen well from their sparring sessions. Johnson hasn't got the foot speed to walk Bute down and take him to deep waters at this stage in his career IMO. Even though Bute hasn't faced the stiffest competition he's really coming into his own. His punches that come from underneath are vicious and with Johnson coming in a straight line, with a basic guard that can be split and not going off center, i see him getting caught a lot with some sneaky uppercuts. Carl Froch was throwing a lot of 'round the guard' looping type punches at Johnson which allowed him to deflect them, but Bute's will be harder to avoid. I can see Johnson fading as well late on.
     
  3. CamR21

    CamR21 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No chance both will win. Toney has a slight chance but Johnson isn't beating Bute
     
  4. haymakerhayman

    haymakerhayman oggy oggy oggy Full Member

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    Don't any of you reckon that there's a reasonable chance that. If James Toney has a bit left in the tank an can handle the weight loss well will counter Lebedev All night. An yes I realise that Lucian Bute is goint to box Johnsons ears of. But. . . Johnson is tough as nails, a bit basic but He'll keep coming all night. An he's going to have his moment with that right hand. And in my opinion I think he's retained a lot of his power from light heavy weight, which is going to spell trouble for Bute surely? His only chance is via stoppage. Worth a tenner for 400 ale tokens return surely!? or am I deluded!?
     
  5. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Toney beats Lebedev just my feeling on that fight, James is a natural fighter and he still believes he's one of best around in sport and when motivated he is still a bowss!
     
  6. slim

    slim Active Member Full Member

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    Its a good bet might put a few quid on it myself.
     
  7. Redondo5

    Redondo5 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not sure... I wouldn't rule it out but they are underdogs for a reason.

    Johnson was beaten easily by chad Dawson in the second fight in particular. And bute can box a bit. Even though he hasn't fought anyone as good as Johnson yet.

    And Lebedev can both dish it out and take a good shot. A tough Russian. Toney is old and hasn't performed in years. His last two fights against Greer and reed he really looked like ****. So it will surprise everyone if he comes out and like the Toney v jirov, where he came from nowhere to give a top class performance.
     
  8. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Toney has a bit of a shot, in the same way Tarver had a chance against Danny Green.

    Leb's better than Green but its similar in a lot of ways, basic pressure fighters against experienced, crafty veterans that really know what they're doing. The stylistic ingridients are there for the upset but whether James Toney actually has enough left to win and better yet win in Russia is another thing entirely.

    Can't see Bute slipping up against Johnson, don't think Johnson can keep up an intensity that Andrade did to take Bute into deep waters, even if he can Bute has improved.
     
  9. whopperdong

    whopperdong "sorry dan, im the man" Full Member

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    i havent really followed dl, but there has been alot of stinkers of late with these type of matches.

    Toney's last fight was atrocious but apparently he's been very motivated in gym for this one. so i hope toney still got the gas and with those odds im gonna back him but deep inside i feel it's another circus act.
     
  10. harvinmagler

    harvinmagler Boxing Addict Full Member

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  11. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Toney can pull the upset, but no sure about Johnson. Tough but limited customer. Bute should be more battle tested now after guys like Miranda and Andrada.
     
  12. unorthodox

    unorthodox Well-Known Member Full Member

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    any weigh in pics for toney vs lebedev?