Bute - why the controversy?

You're making an assumption of bias here and an assumption of the IBF rules.

Starting with the rules: Bute got up off the canvass and cleared his hands of the mat before the count of 10. So he fulfilled the requirement to stand up.

As for the ref, if you will refer to the video I posted above, you'll note that Andrade was not in the neutral corner and so the ref was right (according to the IBF rules) to pause the count and tell him to get back in his corner.

 

Yes, I'm disputing the judgement of the referee, who's from Montreal, the hometown ref for Bute, and he let the hometown fighter back in the fight for that one second between his call and the bell. He let a fighter back completely out even after 24 seconds. The scandal is that the hometown ref acted like a hometown ref, and I think I have a point disputing his judgement after he counted for 24 seconds.

 

Where is the controversy? After watching the video it seems like Bute got up at 8 seconds, using my own count. Even if the ref counted slower then I did, Bute certainly was up before 10 seconds. Surely Bute was saved by the bell. Tough luck for Andrade, he ran out of time. I don't see anything wrong though.

Count for yourself, Bute was up at 8.
Both fighters are outclassed by Mikkel Kessler, I have no doubt.

 

OK, but half of your argument is speculation. Saying the ref is from Montreal has nothing to do with his judgement in the fight.

Next, the 24 count is totally irrelevant. Bute beat the 10 count, you can see it in the video. When the ref stopped HIS count to scold Andrade, he was right to do so, as proven by the video.

You are free to dispute his judgement, just as anyone is free to dispute the judgement of anybody whose job it is to officiate a live sport. But he didn't break the rules. So if you want to suggest scandal, you need to show where he did.

 

As I said before, normally the referee hears the big bang ten seconds before the end of the fight. So he knows if the fighter stands up before 10, he beats the count, the ref starts immediately the fight, knowing it is over. Then, the bell rings. It seems Wright did not hear the bang. Bute would have a very good case if he had stopped the fight after Bute got up. Andrade doesn't. He can only critisize the judgement of the referee for not stopping the fight before.

 

Even according to your rules, Bute was OK, because he was OK accoding to the referee, who is the only one allowed to decide. For the referee, Bute was OK because he lifted his gloves and made a step forward after the ref restarted the fight. He was OK for as long as he needed to be - until the end of the fight. Just because he wasn't OK for longer, is irrelevant. You can fall off and die after the end of the fight, and still win, right?

It looks like you think the rules are unfair. You want Bute to not just beat the count and satisfy the referee that he is good to go for the rest of the fight, but also to satisfy everyone else too. That is impossible. Rules are rules and they are the same for everyone, anyway. Andrade knew the rules going into the fight. They were applied correctly by the referee. Andrade shouldn't have complained at the end. Bute won fair and square.:good

 

There is no controversy. The timekeeper failed to end the fight the moment Bute beat the count, 8 seconds after the knockdown, six seconds after the end of the three minute period. That is the only controversy. The fight was over but he failed to ring the bell. :good

 

I think nobody knew the rules going into the fight,all this would have been avoided if it was so.Andrade deserves a rematch cuz he made a Rocky ending but he lost this fight

 

Well... you say he just has to stand up, which of course he did inside 10 seconds. I say 'you cannot be saved by the bell' means that's not enough, the ref still has to check your condition as always, and make a call whether to continue or not, and then, if he gives green light and say 'fight', the time keeper can ring the bell.

But what we say doesn't really matter, that won't change the video. And sorry, but the video shows that the bell only rang after the referee cleaned Bute's hands and made his call to continue - and the referee's call was absolutely disputable. That's all I have to say, fortunately things like this won't change my opinion on fighters, and both Andrade and Bute are guys to watch every single time.

 

Yap; that's it.:thumbsup

And the referee's judgement was proven correct - he did the right thing by not stopping Bute earlier in the round. Proof of that is that Bute managed to last until the end of the round and managed to beat the count when he was eventually KDed. All is well. Rematch!:thumbsup

 

The bell rang when the timekeeper who didn't have a clue decided to ring it. It didn't ring when it should have rang, BB!:good

I am confused why you don't accept my and Barbar-ian's explanation of what being saved by the bell means. It's what everyone else thinks is means too, as far as I know.:think

:good

 

Because the ONLY thing I can comment on is what I can see... and what I see on the video is that there was a call from the referee to let Bute continue, and then the bell rang. Why don't you accept something, which was recorded on video? I'm doing nothing more just disputing something which actually happened, and IMO is disputable. And that, letting Bute back into the fight, should be disputable by you as well... I don't dispute the rulebook. I dispute 5 seconds that was recorded on tape.

 

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