Bute - why the controversy?

And now we agree... same as Cortez on Soto-Lorenzo, it was a bad judgement, but ultimately the ref had to decide and broke no rules... Bad judgement cost Soto and Andrade a fight, not breaking the rules.

 

Bute could have won this fight on his own by decision, but he didnt.
He got his ass knocked out.
He didnt need Marlon Wright the obviously paid off ref's help but he got it. Bute was allowed to grab and hold every time Andrade got through. Wright even called a knockdown which wasnt, except to Wright's biased eyes. Then he blatently gave Bute 23 SECONDS!!!! to recover from being knocked out.
Bute should be stripped of title and Wright banned from ever officiating again

 

Blatent bias and corruption isnt bad judgement. Both Cortez and Wright are obviously biased and corrupt NEITHER should be allowed to officiate ever again

 

I am not disputing that it happened! Of course it happened. I am saying that the fight was over by the time that five seconds incident took place! The fight was over the second Bute was on his feet, his hands clear of the floor. The bell should have rang. It didn't, so the referee didn't know that Bute had beaten the count and that the fight was over. So he continued the count, and the five seconds that you are talking about took place, after the end of the fight!

Now, even assuming that the fight had not already ended, why are you disputing that the referee shouldn't have considered Bute good to go when he was up on his feet, he wasn't leaning helplessly over the ropes, he wasn't holding onto them for support, he wasn't leaning against the cornerpost out on his feet? The referee looked into his eyes and decided he was good to continue. You think he wasn't, but why? Bute lifted his gloves to say he was willing to continue when the referee asked him to, the fight was restarted and Bute took a step towards the centre of the ring! What more would you have wanted him to do to prove that he was good to go? Go down and give the referee twenty situps?

Let me put it this way: what if Bute had done whatever would have satisfied you that he was good to continue (whatever that happens to be), and the referee, having looked into his eyes, still decided that he wasn't good to continue and stopped the fight? What would you say then? That he was robbed? It is the referee and he alone that has to decide whether he is good to continue, not you, not me, not anyone!

Or let me put it another way: what if Bute had done whatever would have satisfied you that he was good to continue, and the referee had been satisfied as well that he was good to continue, the fight would have been restarted, and the very second the bell ringed to signal the end of the fight, Bute had collapsed in a heap? What would you say then? That he hadn't been ready to continue after all?

See, the thing is: the referee and he alone must decide, according to the rules. He can be right or wrong, but he decided. In this case, why wasn't he right, given the way Bute responded? And don't forget, the referee has to decide that he is ready to continue NOT INDEFINITELY, but only until the end of the round! The referee said after the fight that he realised that the end of the round was nigh and that Bute could last until the end. That's how long he had to be good to continue for, not another full round, or another ten rounds or whatnot, because it's a 12 round fight, and not a 13 round fight or a 15 round fight, or whatever.

If Andrade had fallen flat on his face the very second the bell rang to signal the end of the fight, does that mean he hadn't been ready to continue for the whole previous round? Does it mean he was KOed by Bute? No! Think about it!:good

 

100% good judgement in the case of Bute v. Andrade because Bute pulled through to the end and beat the count! The referee's good judgement was vindicated and proven! The better fighter and the better man on the night won! Andrade could have won it if he had started his final attack a round or two earlier, but he left it too late. Tough luck!

100% robbery in the case of Soto Lorenzo, where the wrong man was given the win and the better man robbed on a technicality which didn't even apply in this case, because Soto never hit Lorenzo when he was down. He hit him accidentally AS he was going down.

:good

 

Well actually he did.He got up,beat the count and the fight was over.
About getting help,Andrade was allowed to elbow,headbutt,throw Bute around all night,Wright did mistakes both sides.The KD was legit as Bute connected a punch altough the feet were tangled.He didn't give nothing,Andrade gave him time by being in the middle of the ring as proven by video on this thread.A rematch should happen so that Andrade can lose wider

 

my gripe with the ref was that bute couldn't even defend himself or hold. this is prior to the knockdown of course.

i've changed ny initial impression a little though where i said it was just poor referring that it was aloud to continue and instead i'll say that this was very similar to gatti-ward 1 (when gatti was in big trouble at the end of round...10?) and cotto- torres round 2 when cotto was in deep ****.

either of those fights could have been stopped too at that point and no-one would have complained.

 

He was holding and dodging just enough to not get stopped

 

Could have been stopped, yeah, but it would have been the wrong move, in hindsight. Cott v. Torres: the better fighter who was winning was allowed to weather the storm and ended up proving he was the better man by the end. Bute v. Andrade -the Champ was allowed to weather the storm and he proved by the end strong enough to beat the count, having won 9-2 before the last round on the scorecards. In bothe cases, experienced, top flight referees took the right decision on the spur of the moment. That's why they're top referees in the first place. They have the good judgement!:good

also, don't forget Bute was almost on the point of falling down when he wasn't clinching. It's not like he was on his feet, without a chance of going down, taking flush shots to the head without defending himself. The referee must have thought: this guy's not getting hit that much and there's no point in me stopping him on his feet because the second he gets hit on the inside, he loses his grip in the clinch and goes down for the knockdown. Good judgement by the referee!

 

This whole thread is making me doubt about the meaning of a rightful decision and that is very unhealthy for me. Why is that people don't make it simple and short ? - Bute was all over the place and the ref played a main role in Bute not having lost the Goddamn fight. People are going every possible way to explain why Bute would have deserved the 12 round unanimous decision but that is not the point... The point is not even the fact that Bute beat the long count... The point is that Andrade had Bute and the rest is plain and simple dust to eyes of the beholder.

 

The point is Bute didn't get KO'd cuz he beat the count.The ref went by the rules.He won cleanly

 

Andrade didn't have Bute, Dorfmeister! Watch it again, if you want to:

http://fr.justin.tv/clip/f2fc320a168

Bute was holding on and Andrade couldn't hurt him that much in the clinch. When the referee was breaking up the clinch, Bute was falling away from Andrade, towards the ropes, not so much hurt as exhausted. The referee was waiting for him to fall down to give him the count. It's not like Andrade kept on punching him and Bute didn't go down, so that the referee had to step in and save him. When Bute did go down, he was strong enough to beat the count, so the referee's judgement was proven right - he did the right thing by not stopping the fight prematurely.:good