Bute will never fight Ward

wel i mean I do think bute is the most deserving but he hasnt beat anyone of note. In my opinion he can beat froch or kessler with ease and then the super matchup is set up!!!

 

Why not, he expressed interest? And he doesn't seem the kind of guy to be ducking anyone imo.

 

Meanwhile Ward will face peoples less diserving to face him?

I got no problems to see Ward fight lesser opposition since he diserve it but to state that Bute don't diserve to face him it's complete bull****.

 

My wife who watches with me said, that Romanian guy would knock either of these guys out in the 1st round.

I promptly corrected her by saying that Froch would likely be stopped bloodied and batter by the 6th in a TKO and Ward would refuse to fight him for fear of being decapitated.

I think both were proven last nite.:deal

 

I have a sneaky feeling Bute will fight Froch before Ward.

 

Same here!

For exitement i prefer to see this fight too but for legacy you need to pass by Ward though

 

there's 10 threads that explain that since the fight was over Bute didn't need to be ready to continue , just to get up!

 

Alright, I had posted the link, so hey...

"THE UNWARRANTED CONTROVERSY:

The referee is not responsible for timekeeping, except according to Rule No.2, after he picks up the count from the knockdown timekeeper, the second timekeeper. Marlon B. Wright, the referee, did not know that Bute had been knocked down two seconds left until the end of the round, because he has no way of knowing how many minutes, tens of seconds or seconds are left in a round, at any point after the starting bell. He can only guess, but it's not his job to do that either. That is why there is a timekeeper – to keep track of time and announce the referee, if appropriate, using the bell, when the round is over.

Had the referee known that Bute had been knocked down with as little as two seconds until the end of the round, he would not have concentrated on Andrade to any extent, but would just have established whether Bute beat the count or not. Since the knockdown occurred two seconds before the end of the fight, Andrade became irrelevant. There was no time left in the round for Bute to get up, get the mandatory eight (8) count, for the fight to be restarted and for Andrade to play a further role in the fight. According to Rule No. 2, the referee, after sending Andrade to the neutral corner, was to pick up the count from the second timekeeper, the knockdown timekeeper, and continue counting. According to Rule No. 6, the main timekeeper was to ring the bell ending the bout as soon as Bute was up on his feet and his hands clear of the floor, as long as Bute had beaten the count, which he did. After ringing the bell, the referee was to invite the judges to give their decision, no knockout having been scored in the fight.

But the timekeeper failed to abide by the rules and failed to ring the bell, so the referee did not know that the bout was over. He must have assumed, reasonably, that since the bell did not ring, there was still time left in the three minute period for the fight to continue. Remember that the referee didn't know at what time during the round the knockdown occurred. He could have assumed that is occurred with ten, fifteen, twenty seconds or even longer left of the three minute round, not, as in the actual case, with two seconds left. In the absence of the timekeeper's final bell, he allowed the bout to continue, when, according to the rules, it had been over the very moment Bute beat the count.

"THE LONG COUNT"

"The long count" shouldn't even have taken place! Yet, it did, and it was responsible in great part for the controversy. "The long count" lasted twenty (20) seconds, not 24, as Andrade's Golden Boy Promotions' representative or Nick Charles from Showtime would have us believe. Just watch the video and convince yourselves! After Bute was knocked down, the referee sent Andrade to the neutral corner, picked up the count from the knockdown referee and counted to six (6). Bute was already up by the referee's count of six. He had beaten the count and the fight was over. Because the timekeeper failed to signal the end of the fight, the referee wrongly assumed there was still time left of the three minute period and carried on. Andrade also wrongly assumed there was still time left for him to play a further role in the fight. Having reached the count of six, the referee noticed that Andrade had moved from the neutral corner towards the centre of the ring, trying to gain an unfair advantage by closing the distance between him and his opponent. According to Rule No. 4, if the contestant standing leaves the corner before the count has been completed, the referee shall discontinue the count and order the standing contestant back into the corner. The count will not resume until the standing contestant has returned to the neutral corner. Andrade left his corner before the referee could complete his count. Marlon B. Wright discontinued the count and ordered Andrade back into the corner. He did not resume the count until Andrade had returned to the neutral corner. The referee obeyed the rules thoroughly and completely. "The long count" wasn't long at all. The only person responsible for "the long count" being as long as it was, is Andrade, who left the neutral corner to gain an unfair advantage. Although not seen in the video above, the Canadian PPV transmission showed Andrade almost half way across the ring, when the referee asked him to get back into his neutral corner. The 16,000+ in the arena saw it with their own eyes too! It's undeniable, whatever Andrade himself would have us believe.

"The long count" is irrelevant to the question of whether Bute was knocked out and to the question whether Andrade was robbed of his chance to finish Bute off, because it occurred after the bout was effectively over. To the extent that it is at all controversial, it only characterises the referee's supposed bias towards Bute. It is not material to the bout or to whether the right man won or not, because it occurred after the end of the fight. Had the timekeeper obeyed the rules and rang the final bell as soon as Bute was up on his feet with his hands clear of the floor, six seconds after the end of the final three minute period, "the long count" would not even have occurred. The fight was over. Bute beat the count. The decision should have gone directly to the judges because no knockout had been scored.

After the referee sent Andrade back to his corner, he resumed the count at six (6). In other words, he counted six twice! This irregular incident contributed to pundits characterising the referee as biased towards Bute. Bute was given an extra second to recover. Although irregular, this incident is immaterial to whether Bute was knocked out or not or to whether the referee stole a precious second from Andrade, depriving him of the chance to try and knock Bute out, after the fight was restarted. It is immaterial because Bute already beat the count before the referee counted six for the first time, so he didn't depend on that extra count of six to beat the count, and because the fight was already over before the referee restarted the count and counted six for the second time, so Andrade was no deprived of that extra second in his attempt to finish Bute off.

The fight was over but no one knew it, because the timekeeper had failed to ring the bell signalling the end of the fight the moment Bute was up on his feet with his hands clear of the floor, eight seconds after the knockdown, six seconds after the end of the three minute period, as Rule No. 6 requires. The referee continued the eight (8) count, finished the eight (8) count, asked Bute if he was ready to carry on by demanding that he raise his gloves, Bute raised his gloves, signalling he was ready to continue, the referee restarted the fight (even though it had long been over, according to the rules), Bute took a small step forward, and then and only then, did the timekeeper ring the bell. After hearing the bell, the referee waved it off."



...next para is called "Was Bute knocked out?" - you should check it out. :smoke

 

Ward is to small for Bute at 168lbs...He will wait and meet him at 175lbs.

 

I see what you're saying. But I think the fans will pressure them into a fight. As you said there's not much else out there for Ward. I think the fans want the fight so it can't be avoided for too long without them taking a lot of criticism.

 

hey dude, i hope you just copy pasted this, if not you are a master of patience.

 

copy-paste from the ESB article

 

It might be of some interest in answering the question of this thread to quote what Bute actually said after the S6 final: "Concerning Ward, I am ready to go [to fight him] even in his hometown, Oakland. Another option would be New York too. I want to clear out who's the best."