Bute's Chances Conclusions and Recommendations for The Froch Rematch

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  1. bamboleo

    bamboleo Still Proud to be Butard Full Member

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    I've just watched for the first time since seeing it live the whole fight and I've seen a few things. In first 2 rounds Bute did great... moved a lot, hit Froch with some decent shots, who Carl felt but weren't that effective. While Bute in this fight was hurt by Froch's big punches. Every power punch landed was taking his footwork, coordination and agility little by little.

    So these are a few Conclusions:

    1 Froch will hurt Bute in every fight they have anywhere, anytime this is certain in my mind. Froch will hurt Bute... but then again if he does in the later rounds like Chavez Jr. did on Martinez he will probably survive. His chin is not that bad.
    The only way Froch would not hurt Bute like he did in the first fight is if Bute has made weight the wrong way and was what we call "weight drained" That's the only reason I can explain his **** punch-resistance if he wasn't born with it. He was hurt one more time like this his punch-resistance was **** there to but again, prior to that fight there was some weight problem to. He suddenly and for no apparent reason lost weight before the match.(some food poisoning or something)


    2 Bute can't be Ko'ed by Froch with a single punch.
    His chin is actually good he took some huge punches and still was standing. Bute has took the beating of his life and still has not gone down, once, it was from round 3 to round 5 he kept eating huge power-punches. You gotta admit that ain't exactly glass chin there, is just bad punch-resistance. I took 3 rounds For Froch to finish him of. Bute got some heart.


    3 Bute he shouldn't try to brawl/trade punches. He should only do that if Froch is hurt. Bute can't fight like that he doesn't know how to have long periods of trading punches. He get's caught if they exchanges are to long. He has 0 inside game, it seems.


    4 Froch was like a hungry beast, he had that kind of mentality. He didn't underestimated Bute. His mind was set to tear him apart,
    You can see that after the first clinch about 55 second in Round1 you can read it just from the way Froch touch's gloves with Bute.
    Now for the rematch that might change. Froch might not have the same mind-set.

    Recommendations:

    He needs Bika as a sparing partner, probably Berrio is decent to but Bika is the kind of guy who will rough you up like Froch did in the first fight. You need Bika and you need to give him advice to go all out on you... to be wild. Maybe in there you'll find some good solutions.

    He needs to stop clinching that much and maybe idk push him and hit him then move, anyway anything else but clinching, use it less and less.

    Don't go to the ropes, you're going into a trap. There... Froch has unleashed his best punches and combinations.
    Froch was cutting the ring quite nice so maybe Bute needs to fight something that will stop Froch in his tracks for a couple of seconds time that he'll use moving to the side and away from the ropes, keeping control of the center of the ring.


    Find a way to land that jab more, make it more effective. Froch didn't seemed to have much success either but he also looked like he didn't need it. You need it!.



    What conclusions have you drawn?
    What recommendations do you have?
     
  2. Boxing101

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    Bute will get knocked out again. I think his confidence was shattered against Froch the first time.
     
  3. bamboleo

    bamboleo Still Proud to be Butard Full Member

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    I have to disagree with that. A guy who was beat to a pulp like Bute was, and still wants a rematch knows something thinks he can do much better thinks he can win. There's some confidence left there.
     
  4. bamboleo

    bamboleo Still Proud to be Butard Full Member

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    Maybe to much confidence and desire to prove the world how good he is got him to brawl and in the situation he was against Froch.
     
  5. edouardleniqueu

    edouardleniqueu Active Member Full Member

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    Bute can do well, I think he can beat Froch if he has the right game plan and the right mental approach

    - this time he's the underdog, everyone is expecting him to get koed early, so since he has nothing to lose he should and ought to be more relaxed

    - he is a better boxer than Froch, he needs to use that skill to keep Froch at bay, move, use his jab, tag Froch with a 1-2 and get out, use lateral movement etc.

    last time he did none of this, he froze mentally and got panicked as soon as Froch stepped up in intensity, Bute squared up for whatever reason and forgot all his skills, lateral and head movements, hence the KO

    he should do better next time with the right approach
     
  6. FIN

    FIN Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Froch wins again,a guy who loses every round and gets beaten up and stopped aint gonna win the rematch..
     
  7. s.i.mustata

    s.i.mustata Active Member Full Member

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    some sidenotes to your post:

    1. We already knew Froch can hurt and stop anyone by accumulation of punches. it wasn't a question of punch-resistance, Bute let himself wide open to multiple free shots

    2. Bute's chin is fine, the issue is his reaction after he takes big shots; to be more precise after he takes the first big shot. His problem was his state of mind: after Froch begun to find him, Bute though his foot and head movement would stil get him chances to counter; he didn't realised his initial plan derailed, that the movements he had were tampered .

    3. Actually , Lucian needs to brawl, he will have to brawl in the rematch; the thing is he must dictate the terms and conditions of the brawl: that's what boxers do, unlike.. you know, brawlers. He cannot win on counter-punching only. Watch the 3rd round of Bute-Andrade 2: Bute takes every oppotunity he has to hit Andrade.
    With Froch, Bute was extracarefull, he was looking to get in clear shots, clear counters; he was still trying to do so after he got hurt. At that point he has no deffence.


    My conclusions: Froch is a clear favourite based on his performance. To win Lucian must be aggressive from the start and use his counterpunching abilities only when Froch will (surely) try to retaliete.
    I don't see the rematch going 12. The first one to get the other hurt will most likely finish him off. Unfortunately, Froch has a better chance of surviving.

    I hope Lucian wins , but until then, they both have bouts to win. Let's see what happens.

    PS: nice avatar you have
     
  8. PityTheFool

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    Not a bad post BB,but apart from the confidence issue which I've discussed many times,as long as he's fighting at 168 with his legs so skinnny to make weight,he's always going to have problems with punch resistance.
    It's all in the legs and he needs to move up and get into heavy squatting(and I don't mean so Carl can **** him.Again)
    Let's not assume that Froch is going to fight a like-for-like fight either.He'll be away from home,different mindset(remember he was going to retire if he lost) so he won't throw caution to the wind.
    Stranger things have happened but although it won't be just as easy,I can't see Froch losing this one.
     
  9. TheRoadWarrior

    TheRoadWarrior Active Member Full Member

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    My recommendation:

    don't take the fight. It can and will end badly
     
  10. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bute need to move and avoid the ropes!
     
  11. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You take this however you like I don't care, but at the weigh-in and I left a note back then, Bute looked like Hatton vs. Pac, unnaturally bending back like something went wrong in camp, overtrained, overdrained, back problems dunno, but someone as good a mover as Martinez was completely tight and rigid on fight night and never recovered from the 1st punch. Strange to defend someone who dominated Glen Johnson among other good opponents, but he's now far FAR better than being credited for (overprotected glass jawed fraud who got exposed), and I give him pretty good chance in the rematch. One thing is worrying however: Froch is so awkward most opponents can't read him and that's a problem for someone dropping his hands because he doesn't have the comfort zone to move into, Lucian did not feel safe in the right from the getgo.

    Anyways, we'll see what happens if it gets made, don't sleep on Bute, but this could be a style thing therefore a repeat in result.
     
  12. BeastsideBoxing

    BeastsideBoxing "The Thrill" Gavril Full Member

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    Idk what to say about the weight. He said in an interview(For Romanian TV) after the weight-in that he lost most of the night before to make sure he makes weight. I think he used the therm "white night". Anyway even so It's his own fault.
    As a fan I hope the low punch-resistance is due to this and not genetically his by birth. That way his chances increases pretty good. Last time he had a similar weak punch-resistance was against Andrade I. He never was really hurt in other fights. The fights I remember him being slightly hurt was Berrio and Magee. I had doubts about Magee but now I think he was.
    The problem is he might have to go to 175 to completely resolve his low punch-resistance issue, thing I heard he wanted to do after the Froch fight. Impossible now to do for the second Froch fight.
    Thing is you are right Froch is an awkward and unpredictable fighter and Bute is a counter-puncher who likes to see rhythm and pattern in an opponent.

    I just know that Bute is gonna look a lot better next time they fight.
     
  13. BeastsideBoxing

    BeastsideBoxing "The Thrill" Gavril Full Member

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    Is not that simple. :D
     
  14. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    Slim and none.

    Froch would make him his ***** again.
     
  15. Jaaames

    Jaaames Well-Known Member Full Member

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    2 problems here..........

    1. Bute can be looking towards Froch when the guy he's up against just put away a top light heavy prospect in his last fight....

    2. Bute did NOT move around enough... Use movement and distance... Might have been a little overconfident...