Bute's fan boys often talks about his liver shots.. But..

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  1. forreal

    forreal Chin doctor Full Member

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    :deal:deal
     
  2. sabsman

    sabsman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i dare u to look at it again and count as soon as he hits the ground. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and he is up. if u cant see this get your sock off and count on you you little toes, it might help.
     
  3. sabsman

    sabsman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you dont like nobody, aperently not even yourself:lol:
     
  4. technocrato

    technocrato Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Kessler have been exposed twice already and Ward never beated an undefeated champion.
     
  5. forreal

    forreal Chin doctor Full Member

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    How many of those has Bute beaten? :lol:
     
  6. sabsman

    sabsman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    ohh how i wish i had a brain...
     
  7. Asace

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    this "Forreal" guy is really funny. Not sure why everyone is paying so much attention to this moron. He clearly hasn't seen the 1st Andrade fight. If he did he would have said "Bute's cardio is not good" which would have been a more believable statement right after the 1st Andrade fight....(but not now).
     
  8. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    You must not have seen it. The joke was knocked out and saved by a hometown ref. That means that he does not have a Chin. His Chin is Pure Glass and that is a Fact.:deal
     
  9. JASPER

    JASPER Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He is the money man in the division so all roads to Lucy! These fools have to come to the Great White North if they want to get paid. If he has a glass jaw why don't they come "bring their own refs:bbb" and take the mans belt. None of these guys "love lucy" . . . he keeps them up at night afraid of what will happen to their livers:deal. Forreal, you have been spot on with a few different things but you do not have a clue about, the man, the myth, the legend . . . Lucy:hat
     
  10. Asace

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    I saw the fight live!

    Anyways 99.99 % of all professional boxers get knocked down (or out) does it mean that they all have NO chin? Some of the greates champions got KO'd does that mean they have no chi?
    Bute gets knocked down ONE time in his entire professional career (Because he ran out of steam and his hands were way down) and he has a glass jaw.
    You and forreal are either the same guy with different nicks or you are 2 morons with same IQ level.
     
  11. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    I stopped reading as soon as you said "knocked down". Loose Booty was not knocked down, he was knocked out and saved by favorable officiating. His Chin is pure, unadulterated ****. Why do you think he is bent on staying in CANada? Because he has a Glass Jaw.
     
  12. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    YDSKAB. You're irrelevant. Be my guest and dispute points made by ESB's own. Otherwise STFU, Dickchecker.

    I have bets on you not reading a single thing said here:


    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=17659&more=1

    IBF BOUT RULES: http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userfiles/File/IBF-USBA Bout Rules.pdf


    "THE LONG COUNT"

    "The long count" shouldn't even have taken place! Yet, it did, and it was responsible in great part for the controversy. "The long count" lasted twenty (20) seconds, not 24, as Andrade's Golden Boy Promotions' representative or Nick Charles from Showtime would have us believe. Just watch the video and convince yourselves! After Bute was knocked down, the referee sent Andrade to the neutral corner, picked up the count from the knockdown referee and counted to six (6). Bute was already up by the referee's count of six. He had beaten the count and the fight was over. Because the timekeeper failed to signal the end of the fight, the referee wrongly assumed there was still time left of the three minute period and carried on. Andrade also wrongly assumed there was still time left for him to play a further role in the fight. Having reached the count of six, the referee noticed that Andrade had moved from the neutral corner towards the centre of the ring, trying to gain an unfair advantage by closing the distance between him and his opponent. According to Rule No. 4, if the contestant standing leaves the corner before the count has been completed, the referee shall discontinue the count and order the standing contestant back into the corner. The count will not resume until the standing contestant has returned to the neutral corner. Andrade left his corner before the referee could complete his count. Marlon B. Wright discontinued the count and ordered Andrade back into the corner. He did not resume the count until Andrade had returned to the neutral corner. The referee obeyed the rules thoroughly and completely. "The long count" wasn't long at all. The only person responsible for "the long count" being as long as it was, is Andrade, who left the neutral corner to gain an unfair advantage. Although not seen in the video above, the Canadian PPV transmission showed Andrade almost half way across the ring, when the referee asked him to get back into his neutral corner. The 16,000+ in the arena saw it with their own eyes too! It's undeniable, whatever Andrade himself would have us believe.

    "The long count" is irrelevant to the question of whether Bute was knocked out and to the question whether Andrade was robbed of his chance to finish Bute off, because it occurred after the bout was effectively over. To the extent that it is at all controversial, it only characterises the referee's supposed bias towards Bute. It is not material to the bout or to whether the right man won or not, because it occurred after the end of the fight. Had the timekeeper obeyed the rules and rang the final bell as soon as Bute was up on his feet with his hands clear of the floor, six seconds after the end of the final three minute period, "the long count" would not even have occurred. The fight was over. Bute beat the count. The decision should have gone directly to the judges because no knockout had been scored.

    After the referee sent Andrade back to his corner, he resumed the count at six (6). In other words, he counted six twice! This irregular incident contributed to pundits characterising the referee as biased towards Bute. Bute was given an extra second to recover. Although irregular, this incident is immaterial to whether Bute was knocked out or not or to whether the referee stole a precious second from Andrade, depriving him of the chance to try and knock Bute out, after the fight was restarted. It is immaterial because Bute already beat the count before the referee counted six for the first time, so he didn't depend on that extra count of six to beat the count, and because the fight was already over before the referee restarted the count and counted six for the second time, so Andrade was no deprived of that extra second in his attempt to finish Bute off.

    The fight was over but no one knew it, because the timekeeper had failed to ring the bell signalling the end of the fight the moment Bute was up on his feet with his hands clear of the floor, eight seconds after the knockdown, six seconds after the end of the three minute period, as Rule No. 6 requires. The referee continued the eight (8) count, finished the eight (8) count, asked Bute if he was ready to carry on by demanding that he raise his gloves, Bute raised his gloves, signalling he was ready to continue, the referee restarted the fight (even though it had long been over, according to the rules), Bute took a small step forward, and then and only then, did the timekeeper ring the bell. After hearing the bell, the referee waved it off.

    WAS BUTE KNOCKED OUT?

    The only way Andrade could have won by knockout in the final round, is if Bute had not beaten the count. According to Rules No.1 and No. 3, Bute would have been considered knocked out if any part of his body except his feet were on the floor, or if he was hanging helplessly over the ropes at the end of the ten (10) count. Now, eight (8) seconds after the knockdown, no parts of Bute's body except his feet were on the floor and he was not hanging helplessly over the ropes either. He remained in this situation for the rest of the evening. In other words, Bute was not knocked out. He was knocked down, got back up and would have beaten the eight (8) count, had that been completed, since he was up within eight (8) seconds. For Bute to be knocked out, events should have unfolded like this:

    Bute goes down with two seconds to go. The referee sends Andrade to the neutral corner and picks up the count from the knock-down timekeeper. He keeps counting and when he reaches eight (8), at least one part of Bute's body except his feet was on the ground or he was hanging helplessly over the ropes. The referee counts nine and Bute is in the same situation, more or less. As he counts ten, at least one part of Bute's body except his feet was on the ground or he was hanging helplessly over the ropes. The referee waves his hands to signal a knockout. Andrade wins by KO 12.

    This is of course, not what happened. Bute was up within eight seconds of the knockdown. It would have been impossible for the referee, any referee, to have counted him out. So, Andrade could not have won a KO12.

    WAS BUTE THEN TECHNICALLY KNOCKED OUT?


    It has also been argued that although Bute wasn't knocked out, he was in fact technically knocked out because he wasn't in a position to continue, after he beat the clock. According to the rules, though, he needn't have been in a position to continue, because there was nothing left to continue; the fight had been over the second he beat the count. Since there was no fight for Bute to continue, after the end of the fight, he needn't have been in a position to continue; he just needed to be up, early enough to beat the count, as defined by Rule No.1 (that no part of his body should be on the floor and that he shouldn't hang helplessly over the ropes). Bute was up and he beat the count because he was up within eight seconds of getting knocked down. There was no time to count him up; he beat the count!

    The only way Andrade could have won a TKO 12 is if Bute had been knocked down earlier in the round, beat the count, was asked to continue and declined, or, tried to continue and was unable to do so, for example because he was staggering or losing his balance, with seconds still left of the final three minute round on the clock. This would have forced the referee to wave the fight off, deeming Bute technically knocked out, before the three minutes had elapsed. Since Bute went down with two seconds left on the clock, there was no time left for him to get up, get an eight count, and have the fight restarted for him then to suddenly become unable to continue, allowing the referee to deem him technically knocked out, before the three minutes of the final round had elapsed. In other words, Andrade could not have won by technical knockout either, whether Bute was in a position to continue after the mandatory eight (8) count or not. It is immaterial whether Bute was in a position to continue after he beat the count, because the second he beat the count, the fight was over. After the fight is over, whether you are able to fight on or not is immaterial to the question of whether you were up on your feet at the end of the fight, with your hands clear of the floor.

    It has also been argued that the referee should have asked Bute to take a step towards him to prove he was in a position to continue, after he beat the count, at the end of the eight (8) count. Again, according to the rules, the referee needn't have done that because the fight was over. The referee didn't know that the fight was over, because the timekeeper failed to notify him by ringing the bell. In these circumstances, the referee might have asked Bute to take a step towards him to prove he was able to continue, but he wasn't obliged to do so according to Rule No. 5. According to Rule No.5, the referee just had to be satisfied himself that Bute was ready to continue. Having satisfied himself that Bute was ready to continue by looking into his eyes, the referee asked him to raise his gloves to signal that he was willing to continue, and Bute did so. That gave the referee the green light he needed to restart the fight.

    All of this, though, is, of course, immaterial because the fight was long over. The fight ended the very moment Bute was raised and his hands clear of the floor, eight seconds after the knockdown.
     
  13. Asace

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    You should have stopped reading after my first sentence which said "I saw the fight live"
     
  14. Palpatine

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    are you ******ed son?