Bute's standing at SMW.

I'd take Kessler, Mundine, and Andrade over Bute, but nobody else. Definitely not Lacy.. and I don't think Amsterdam would really pick Lacy over him. He's pretty much shot.

I watched the Joppy fight this morning and Bute's performance was dominant but also disappointing, similar to the Berrio performance but a little worse. Joppy should have been out of there early. Bute seriously lacks killer instinct and every time an opponent is ready to go, he backs off of them and gives them time to recover. He allows opponents to get back into the fight and I think he'll pay for that against fighters with great heart, strength/power, and workrate. Bute has a solid, good chin, but I think he could get broken down by a huge workrate big heart fighter. That's why I favor Andrade over him, slightly. I'm not sure about Inkin and Froch, I think Bute would outbox them.

 

Who the **** are you really Amsterdam...Mr. Fishnet De La Hoya ?
Get serious about your assessments...it's pointless just stirring **** !!

 

The Reid that fought Calzaghe would've destroyed Bute. Endless lead rights, plenty of pressure and rough housing topped off with a granite chin spell serious trouble for Bute.

As of now, he's clearly a decent fighter but one who lacks in every department when compared to the top 2 in the division. As for the rest, Mundine has a good chance due to his speed and Froch has the ability to lay him out cold with one punch. He's certainly never going to be the unified champion while Kessler stays at 168.

 

atsch For someone who puts down wins versus smaller fighters, as you do with Hopkins, you sure love to match MW's vs SprMW's... twat...

 

People like Pavlik/Taylor/Abraham are clearly SMW/LHW fighters boiling their asses down to make MW.

The people Hopkins fought who we have a go at (Trinidad and DLH) are clearly Welterweights bulking up to make higher weight to fighting Hopkins.

There's a big difference.

 

I thought Trinidad bulked to Middleweight quite well... He was always a bit starved at welterweight, but probably at his best at junior middleweight.

I agree about DLH, but this is a guy that started at 130, so it's kinda expected he doesn't grow into 160 as well.

I'd also agree that Pavlik and Taylor are BIG middlweights, although I'd class Abraham at SMW/LHW much the same as a Trinidad moving up from welterweight to middleweight... But Trinidad is also TWICE the fighter too, imo (no disrespect to Abraham... I rate him as a good fighter too!)

 

he is at 3 or 4

 

Maybe so, but he strikes back, what a punch bag :hey

 

You just dont like Bute. Andrade already lost that fight dude. They are not even close. The only one able to put Bute away is Kessler and that fight is 60-40 imho (I dont count J.C. cuz he will never fight Bute). Bute did not want to put Joppy away early because ppl payed to see a fight. It was obvious he was trying to make it look competitive (total screwball of a mismatch...shame on Interbox).

 

So...Amsterdam, brooklyn1550 and huki join forces in a triad to pick Andrade v. Bute...because "Bute has not heart and no killer instinct and the pressure and workrate and big heart from Andrade will be too much". That huki went with Amsterdam, I am not surprised...but I thought brooklyn1550 would go with his own counsel this time,...If that is indeed your own true counsel, brooklyn1550, I guess that just proves I am a blind nuthugger...:conf


I am going to hold all three of you up for this assessment in autumn, when this fight is likely to happen, if Andrade beats Stieglitz and Bute beats his voluntary defence in May. And either I am going to be proved to be a blind nuthugger, or you three are going to be proved to not know much about Bute and Andrade and to gang up to make each other feel good.:deal

Amsterdam, that is truly pathetic!:-( I have nothing more to say to you on the subject of Bute.

 

I said I favor Andrade slightly. It's a winnable fight for Bute, but I'll say that there's no way he'll dominate Andrade. Kessler's performance against Andrade is underrated because people think Andrade is a **** fighter, when he's actually very dangerous to numerous higher skilled boxers than him.

BTW, what did you think of his performance against Joppy? I understand being cautious when finishing a murderous puncher like Berrio, but being so cautious and safe against a shot former MW B level fighter brought him down in my book.

 

I think this is what Larouche wants him to do. Both Bute and Diaconu were going out trying to blow everyone out as soon as possible and Larouche made them change their style, making them work on their defence, making them get rounds under their belt, to gain experience. Supposedly, this was going to help them when the going really went tough, against top opposition.

Still, it was frustrating to see Bute let Joppy out of the corner, particularly when Joppy decided to go back in the corner again and Bute had to let him out again...talk about cat and mouse!...but maybe they wanted rounds, not a quick stoppage, which would have made Joppy look even worse on paper, and which would not have provided the good workout Bute needs if he is to develop enough to have a decent shot at Kessler next year...

One of the things Bute supposedly worked hard in the gym on was his jab...I guess he wanted to test it for a good couple of rounds...I didn't see a great jab from Bute though; he mostly didn't box tall, but looked to counterpunch instead...Oh well...

Who knows...:conf

I'll give Larouche and Bute the benefit of the doubt. When he fights Andrade, we'll get a good indication whether this approach has born fruit. When he fights Kessler, we'll know for sure.

In any case, I watched Bute against Bika and Berrio minutes before the Joppy fight and Bute's performance was better. His jab was better, he was certainly not slower and he was quite a bit more precise. If you cannot see an improvement, you need to look again.

Bute himself said he wasn't looking for a stoppage in the fight. He wanted to take no unnecessary risks and still beat Joppy up badly. This is what he did.

I don't see why people want Bute to take risks beating up poor opposition whn he should save himself for the big blows to his head when he really needs to. To me, it proves he is intelligent, not that he lacks heart. He has not had to prove his heart yet, so there's no reason to suppose he has none.