Butter Bean Esch vs Tony Galento

You mean a "modern offensive machine" like Wlad, who trows 15 punches in a round. Don´t say now "Well, but it´s enough to KO his opponents...", against the likes of Austin or a totally shot Brewster it´s not that impressive. A fighter like Louis with that heart, who traded punches with hard punchers and giants like Buddy Baer, Carnera, Max Baer is IMO better to watch. Back to topic, the more you´re offensive, the worse is your guard...

 

Put Wlad in that video, his lead right would land immediatley, it is sharp, crisp, powerful and well timed. Louis' lazy jab would have no effect and his wider shots that lack a proper guard, footwork, positioning and effective timing would be of no issue.

Klit can move all around that ring in comparison with fantastic footwork. Granted, Klit has no head movement, little defence except distance, effective use of height and his clinching...

Do you seriously compare Wladimir Klitschko to these guys in this video?

Just watch the vid's back to back in full detail, there is an incredible increase in sharpness and general technique, as well as athleticism from the Louis era, to the now era.

And I don't even consider the era now to compare with the 90's and 70's for the HW division, the HW division is very poor right now, thus giving way why a flawed guy like Klitschko is the number 1.

 

I see it, but it's still one of the very few times I've ever seen Louis wild. Most of the time, he's extremely precise.

One of the difficulties in appraising boxing is that there are two guys in the ring. One of them may look horrible, but if he lands shots on a technically precise fighter I assume he's doing it somehow. Call it "The Marciano Effect" if you like--defensive wizards like Charles, Walcott, and Moore looked at Marciano and considered him easy to hit, but found out that he wasn't when he met them in the ring.

So when I see Louis getting knocked down by Tony Galento, and not committing many gross errors, I assume that SOMEHOW (and I have no idea how) that skill-less ball of dough is a lot better than he looks.

 

When you would put in a video in 50 years from a fighter of these days and a video from Wlad, than he would also look ordinary...


stop with your stupid comparisons, between this 2 fighters there is a half of a century difference...

 

Okay, let's get an offensive guy from the modern era then for you. Joe Frazier was effective at slipping and blocking shots inside and slipping quite a few outside.

He had an effective guard for his style and was the definition of an offensive machine. Frazier got hit a lot, but at his peak he was slipping and blocking a lot of shots from a variety of superior fighters to this old time era here, where I am pointing out every flaw that I think you guys will notice if you look hard enough, but you're all using ridiculous logic in defence of it because you're specifically classic fans.

Being more offensive, especially since Louis was a boxer-puncher(whom have a history of having a competant defence as a style of some sort and a major use of a guard), is simply no excuse for having that poor of a guard.

Then let's get into the footwork which you have ignored....

 

Louis was 6´2 tall, at that time pretty big. He wasn´t a small dwarf who needed to get inside quickly to reach and hit his opponents. And it´s IMO totally hyperbolical that his footwork is SO bad...

 

But see, that's all assuming since you assume very easily that Louis is the monster of the legend(I highly respect guys like Louis, these are the building blocks). If I have to find every single wide punch Louis throws with a total lack of guard and proper positiong(considering Louis was of the modern ruleset, we can't use this excuse anymore), or even the shorter shots utilising no guard or positing and the flat footed footwork, then I will do so.

I'm seeing that ball of dough for what he really is, because I'm judging the fighting without even considering who they are when watching.

This is also a good method to use when picking winners of up and coming fights, to not get involved with any sort of hype, I picked out Antonio Margarito for his serious flaws in the modern times as not being a true elite level practicioner... however, Margarito in comparison to that ball of dough is a masterful artist, there is no way getting around it mate.

At least we're having a solid discussion this time....

 

On the contrary, I entered this forum convinced that modern "superheavyweights" would cream the old-timers.

Soon you, too, will be assimilated.

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Above: Two classic boxing fans.

 

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Well, every modern class fighter, even journeyman level, has superior footwork and what comes from proper footwork than Louis showcases there. Many people don't realise how important footwork is, whether it's the boxer type, or the type that cuts off the ring.

It is clearly evident that he has poor footwork, if we'll just watch the video unbiased and see two pugilists going at it and not Joe Louis and Tony Galento, two very legendary names, which provides tunnel vision therefore prior to fully assessing the video's.

 

Well, we'd see Wlad's sharper technique, but just with the timing issue's with the older film(I take this into account, trust me). We'd also see Wlad's much superior speed.

At least you are submitting now that it's ridiculous to compare these guys, totally different era's. But let me ask why in fantasy match ups people say Louis KO 4 Wladimir Klitschko?

Especially since you are clearly stating now the half of a century of evolution as the difference.

 

Amsterdam, don´t give me advices about boxing practice, I know that footwork is very important. But that´s probably Louis only weakness, you don´t talk about his strengths like punching power, heart, fast, versatile combinations combinated with great power, stamina, etc...

 

Well, sure, funny jokes.

But I have yet to see an adequate response detailing why my assessment of his shotty footwork, positioning and guard/punching/jab/timing are all wrong.

It's hard to debate, because what I am saying is true, and that's why we're resorting to posting pictures of aliens now?:think

I'm trying to be dead serious this time...