Butter Bean Esch vs Tony Galento

butterbean couldnt tie tony galentos laces.....or his own..

 

butterbean couldnt tie tony galentos boot laces.....or his own..

 

Louis' is not taking Foreman's flush bombs Janny. You make it sound as if Louis is the most complete fighter ever technically, it would be odd if Foreman landed yes?

But Foreman immediatley gets close, Louis' jab doesn't land and Foreman sends a right hand over it, easily timed... what next? Louis drops, as would most from a flush Foreman right.

You're judging this whole thing from a historical fans outlook, which is fine, but you've attributed nothing to the bare bones technical outlook that I have been debating with CT with, because that's not something that you study.

I just find it odd that you confidently confide in your material here as if it's the cemented law.

 

It doesn't matter in the slightest which fighters Janny is comparing, because Janny has little idea of anything other than material that he's learned and read, Lyle would easily beat Louis to that fact, just look at my technical analysis of him and Foreman, but then consider natural intangibles that Foreman has, that Louis does not, much to the dismay of classic boxing fans.

CT hopefully comes back in...

 

This is the best thread I have enjoyed here at ESB!:happy

 

You must have missed the entire debate in this thread. Yes, Lewis could feint well, parry, block, had a tight guard, fabulous footwork and his inside skills were decent enough.

His short punches were also good.

Lacks finesse? My oh my.:yep

If you say so.

I guess because Liston's legacy has more years on it?:think

I wouldn't expect one from you, or a good rebuttal on anything for that matter.

It'll go right over that lazy jab mate, nothing stopping it either.

He lacked the footwork, defence and timing to not get smacked by Foreman. Baer is not even comparable.

He can't fight on the backfoot well against agression, look what the pathetic Galento showed for that matter. Foreman is all pressure and all agression. Getting inside with Foreman is going to make things shorter from Louis, even though he'd likely be put out with the smaller gloves from the first big Foreman counter punch.

Not when he's superior from 20 different area's....

 

Most of these fighters are nothing like Foreman stylisticaly.

 

It is a great debate, but I do wonder what is expected of Louis. Okay, Galento gives him some trouble because he can soak up punches and lunges in while in a crouch, and scores a flash knockdown, but Louis pounds him into jelly. Did Frazier do better against the crude Stander?
What about Foreman against Luis Pires, or against Chuvalo when he hurts Chuvalo with a hook, but then Chuvalo stands unmoving against the ropes for about a minute while Foreman misses him again and again and again. Is this great timing. I have never seen Louis miss like that.