By May there will be only 1 American in top 10 P4P

It's a bit of a grey area as what someone "really" is if they were born in one place and moved to another. In Donaire's case he moved here as a child, meaning he was mainly raised here and also learned to box here as well. Therefore I consider him just as American (if not more so) as he is Filipino. That's different then someone like Bute who was born, raised, and learned his craft in Romania and then moved to Canada as an adult. He is technically Canadian by way of having citizenship but I'd imagine he'd consider himself a Romanian living in Canada.

 

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No. No you can't.

Nowhere in any definition of pound for pound does it mention getting some sort of concession for age.

Pound for pound is ranked on pure performance and ability. It has nothing to do with "that was a mediocre performance against a mediocre champ in a mediocre division, but it was amazing achievement for an old man."

You don't even look at age when considering P4P, and it is bizarre that people think that you can or should. What other handicaps are you going to give people credit for? Khan should be P4P #1 because he does amazing for a guy with no chin? Malignaggi should be P4P #1 because he does amazing for a guy with no power?

Holyfield at the same age as Hopkins also beat a mediocre champ in a mediocre division, but was robbed too. So did that performance against Valuev catapult him back into the P4P top 10?

You can say that Hopkin's longevity adds to his ATG status. No problems. But he has to beat genuine top fighters to get ranked back in the P4P lists, just like everyone else.

 

What are you talking about?? Boxing in america is still huge compared to the vast majority of countries where its not even participated in or at the very most is a fringe sport. You just have to look at new york for example, an area of the states where boxing has supposedly fallen away the most and the number or registered boxing gyms there

http://www.boxinghelp.com/new_york.html

De la hoya has in recent times smashed ppv records in the sport and a fighter like mayweather who a lot of people condsider to be involved in tactical at times boring fights can generate well over a million ppv buys against opponents most people know he will take the win (JMM)

How about a foreign fighter like pac bringing in a crowd of over 50,000 in texas!! and fighting a second rate defensive fighter in clottey on top of that.

What about the likes of a limited alco slugger like pavlik who still has a large following?

Very few countries put on ANY ppv shows outside of the states with one of the main reasons being that noone would pay for them, the interest in the sport is just not there

At the end of day all it takes is an exciting fighter to reignite interest in boxing and if an exciting american KO artist emerges then the sport will be flying in america again. The sport has gone through bad peroids before but the basic support is still there.

This excuse that nobody is interested in boxing is just typical american sour grapes, it happens in other sports too. Take tennis for example. America hasnt produces a player in a decade, so now tennis is not a popular sport there, where in fact it is, with the best facilities and top coaches.

The same people who are trying to somehow force donaire to be american and not filipino, when the guy was born and grew up in the philippines to filipino parents and clearly associates himself with that country are the same people making excuses about the sport of boxing in america, yeah we know that a lot of potential heavy boxers in the states play other sports, just like for example a lot of middle and LH weights in europe play soccer, but we dont hear them bringing it up again and again and again, like i said american sour grapes!!

 

I assume you are not American, let alone from NY?

Most of those are workout gyms - you know weight lifting, yoga, tae-bo, etc?

They have boxing like they have cycling (aka "spin").
Those are not boxing gyms.

 

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You're an idiot. He calls himself a Filipino-American, no different than Italian Americans, African Americans, Mexican Americans, etc... If he was just a filipino living in America, then he'd have a temporary resident green card. He's a naturalized US Citizen, which means he lifted his hand to swore an oath to the United States of America. To top it off, he lived here since childhood. That is a CLASSIC definition of Americanism, which occured quite frequently during emigration of the 30's (thanks for the ****ing Italian Americans and mob in NYC ) and still continues to this day.

Let's expose further how stupid you are. If Donaire joins the United States Marine Corps tomorrow, is he now suddenly an American, or is he just a filipino citizen serving in the US military? atsch

Donaire is an American, who happens to be of Filipino decent. I was born in the West Indies but moved here since I was a child. I was naturalized as a US Citizen in my 20's. I served in the US military. By your definition, I'm not American. If you were tell me that to my face I would knock your ****ing lights out. If I were to suddenly become famous I would of course like to recognize the country of my heritage as well as the United States, and that doesn't change the fact any which way or form that I'm first and foremost a US Citizen.

Now, do yourself a favor and learn something about US citizenship and how the United States earned the nickname the "melting pot" in regards to its citizens.

 

You'd be rejected for American citizenship, numbnuts. You don't become an American just by living here for 6 years. Just like if I decided to go to school or open up shop in Britain for 6 years, doesn't automatically make me a ****ing wanker like you.

 

Donaire is a Filipino citizen by birth and an American citizen thru naturalization thus making him a Filipino-American. This is a no brainer.

 

Of filipino descent?? He was born and raised in the philippines to filipino parents until he was 12, moved to the US for a better life, done well for himself and now is an american citizen, so hes a filipino who has also become an american citizen but he is still a FILIPINO but hes also an american citizen on paper but its CLEAR to anyone who watches him or his fights where his loyalities lie, hes an american citizen but a filipino with that bit of paper!! If Donaire was first and foremost an american citizen would he not AT LEAST carry an american flag into the ring?

 

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Someone else knows their stuff...

Nicely done, Exposed.

 

Stop with this american ****, everybody all the way from alaska down to chile are americans not just people from the US.

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:thumbsup.

 

atsch Oh c'mon! Donaire before the Montiel fight was being set aside by filipino fans for his own opinionated remarks about testing before a fight and said he'd take one right away. Pacman's fans labeled him a traitor just because he gave his own opinion on the matter and many were sayin he was FILIPINO AMERICAN even though he was born in the philipines. Now with his high profile win over Montiel, now they love him to death because they love a winner.

Nonito might of been born in the Philipines and represents where his roots are from, but then why does he speak perfect American English and not live in the Philipines? Even Filipinos called him Filipino American and no matter how many technicalities you want to throw in he's Filipino American. Slash was born in London England yet is he British? He might say he was born and raised in England in his first years, but he'll tell you he's American. Same with Nonito. Even Kellerman knows he's Filipino American. C'mon don't be stupid.

 

Quote from donaire from a recent maxx boxing interview

“The thing is I’m blessed to be called the next guy,” said Donaire. “And I’m blessed that I have fans and people who pray for me and wish me the best. But what it comes down is that since I was little, I’ve always been proud to wear the Filipino flag. And that’s who I am, a Filipino fighter, and I’m going to give it all I got, regardless of what happens. I’m proud of who I am and I’m trying to reach the pinnacle of my talent that God has given me.”

Straight from the horses mouth