By Modern Standards, George Foreman was a Caveman

Ha!

Thank goodness.

Now let's have a proper debate.

 

That's ridiculous though.

It's hard to land that perfect knockout punch.

Every top fighter should use body punches as part of their ars*nal.

Also, in fighting, double hooks and uppercuts don't appear to be as common.

A lot of today's fighters also gas, and would struggle to do 15 rounds.

You've got to be an idiot if you think boxing progresses like other sports. (I'm not calling you an idiot)

 

It can be as ridiculous as you want, it doesn't make it any less true. Even back in the "golden age", fighters didn't usually work the body seriously against huge punchers. It just didn't happen.

Fighters are more likely to abandon a body attack if the punches coming back at them carry knockout power because they leave you more open to being countered. Bigger heavyweights rarely bother with the risk, but there are exceptions- Helenius has a harpoon like straight right hed throw while the other fighter was out of range, for example.

It's not like world level heavyweights never learned to hook to the body; it's that doing so exposes you to some serious heat coming back.

If the average heavyweight were still the size of modern cruisererweights, we'd see more body attacks. The size difference changes the gameplan.

 

Who is the exposed alt, you? And you didnt respond to what i posted, just ranted something incoherently. :yep

 

This makes no sense. If they were smaller than the chances of knocking another guy relatively your size out would be the same. Nothing changes. Fact is you wont find a single trainer worth his salt that will say body punching isnt an integral part of boxing. Not only does it sap an opponent of his strength and stamina over the course of a fight, it opens up other punches.

 

1) It's not the same. Expecting it to be the same, just scaled up, is why knuckleheads expect Heavyweights to fight like Welterweights. Divisional workrate goes down as size and power goes up because fighters can less afford to make a mistake- so, they throw less to give their opponents fewer opportunities.

2) If what I say is wrong, the proof should be in the pudding. Show me the best body attacks put on Foreman and Shavers.

You won't find many because people knew better.

 

There is an accuracy to what he says though from ring experience. If body punching is not completely natural to you it opens your head up in a big way to what is coming back from a larger stronger opponent. I used to jab to the body a lot as a lead in before I realized it was stupid: heavy handed guys with the right can come right over the top and really rattle you. These bigger heavyweights do make long range body punching dangerous - it is safe at close range inside their longest shots but only if you really are safely inside and crowding them.

 

I agree. If you have ever fought a bigger stronger guy who can hurt you to the head you know the danger of throwing too much to the body. However, good fighters should still try to find a way to do it.

 

Without even looking I'll say Ron Lyle for both guys and Quarry vs Shavers (in its short entirity) as another.

 

http://youtu.be/G1_JW3wnrik?t=50s

till 3:38 mark....Yeah, george was a 'caveman'.nutatsch

 

lol. caveman.

ESB is disgusting now.

 

There are ways to work inside without getting hit. That in itself is another problem with heavyweight boxing, its lack of defense. When i boxed Iseldom threw a jab to the body. All that is is basicly a stay busy punch, it difficult to set up other punches off of it because like you said you're outside and leaving yourself open. I dont thi.k it can be argued though that getting inside and working the body breaks a fighter down and opens up the head.

 

Lewis beat up Vitali and would have beat up Wlad. I see Lewis beating up almost everyone else besides Muhammad Ali.

 

I'm not disagreeing, I'm just stating that every fighter at some point, needs to be capable of throwing a good body punch.

But I don't think it's as prevalent today across all weight classes, not just the HW's.

It's the same with in fighting.