By nature of the business, boxing cannibilize's itself.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Just Rik, Aug 8, 2015.


  1. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have tried looking up the historical data to no avail but I believe boxing has not really gone down in popularity per se. I think the continued growth of all other sports has pushed the relatively stagnant boxing out of the way. Not only that, but the predictability of viewership in other sports make them a better business to work with, since the numbers of viewers are more predictable the price to negotiate is easier. I mean how is everyone so sure that boxing is such a smaller business than previous when Floyd has been crushing all previous live gates? And I'm pretty sure that would be if inflation were accounted for, Floyd Pac definitely.
     
  2. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It is completely different than other businesses. If you want to compare it to something, use other sports as an example. And in that regard, it is harming itself by not generating new fans for the sake of current gain. Other pro sports have an inherent interest to cultivate new fans, boxing promoters and orgs do to a lesser degree, and boxers not at all.

    The fragmented nature is what does not allow it to put itself on a self-sustaining future course. Boxing always after the now money. There is no overseeing organization whose sole repsonsibility is to ensure snd maintain integrity.
     
  3. devon2

    devon2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I dislike this whole notion that boxing is a business and boxers are businessmen. Boxing is a sport and boxers are athletes. The point of a sport is for the best to fight the best.
     
  4. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed 100%. Unfortunately, as currently constituted, the need for the best to face the best only comes up when the money is right.
     
  5. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It does not compare to other sports either, it is the only one where the athletes have a say in their career course, all other sports athletes have to bow to the will of an organization. You have no idea what the individuals of other sports would do if they had free will/reign, but following the money would give you a very good idea. If you don't think so think how many times we have a seen an athlete from anther sport betray the city "that he loves" to go where there is more money?
     
  6. glovesofcrimson

    glovesofcrimson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Accurate sentiments, good read.
     
  7. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's what we as fans want to happen, and like to believe about the athletes but everyone knows it's not the truth. The risk/reward calculation is always being measured by the fighters. The thing/problem is that in boxing they are athletes and businessmen, whereas in other sports they are only athletes...until the contract is up. In boxing they can sign contracts also but, it will typically only indicate a number of fights they will fight for someone, and still not who. It's a nice idea that a fighter will just simply fight the best regardless of what it pays but it's not reality, and to think that it is what makes people angry, confused, frustrated etc.
     
  8. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    All true, other than mma, etc. But that is exactly why we have the situation we do now. We have a completely top heavy sport where 1 or 2 guys make more than the rest of the sport combined.

    My concern is 't that guys make or don't make enormous amounts of money, (any person in the world eould be crazy to put their life on the line for lesd than thr max they could get). My concern is that the only way it is done is thru PPV, and by doing it exclusively thru PPV, new fans are not exposed, new fans are not won over.

    Without some kind of direction (other than follow the money), boxing will continue to be a niche sport with its integrity always in question, its validity always debated.
     
  9. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are correct, it's a catch 22, the biggest best fights that are capable of producing the most new fans are also the fights that are most closed off...apparently boxing cannibalizes itself in even more ways than I previously realized. In those cases we can only hope the hype factor is there, that the job of advertising it as a can't miss event is done. Even then it of course will not get near the viewers that it could've on free tv but what can be done? This is what I was saying in my opening, there is just no magic bullet to grow this sport and people keep acting as if they have the answer or this "person" is the problem. If someone had the answer it would have been implemented long ago.

    I just know and accept the fact that the business mirrors the destructiveness of the sport. We're hardcore fans who like to talk about what it takes to grow the sport because we want everyone know to the beauty of it, I understand that. I'm just saying that because of the nature of the sport, and the business that maybe we just have to accept that it has a plateau or very slow moving growth. It doesn't mean we have to stop talking about problems or what can be done to grow it but, we just need to be more mindful of what the problems actually are and aren't.
     
  10. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Can't disagree there. It certainly isn't a 1 person, entity or organization problem. It is an industry problem.

    Personally, I think boxing needs governing body to enforce certain standards and operating procedures. Get rid of all these self serving and congratulatory sanctioning bodies altogether, or, if it is less of a culture shock, incorporate them as subordinate orgs, force them to declare their 1 "champion" per weight class and mandate that each "champion" must unify with the others to determine an undisputed champion, at least bi-annually. Make an event of it.

    Also wrestle the power of god from promoters.

    At least it would be a start.
     
  11. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah that'd be nice :good:good