Cain Velasquez: Fedor Is My Ideal Fight

who was talking about Fedor?

"read more, less stupidity"

 

Why does Fedor have to join UFC for him to fight Velasquez? If White had any confidence in his fighters it should not matter.

The UFC Heavyweight Division is atrocious. Strikeforce has the better Heavyweight Division.

 

There are some very good fighters in the UFC HW division. What's pathetic is that the UFC wont let them fight anyone outwith their organisation

Like that earlier poster said, it's just like boxing - the best dont get to fight the best - cause of GREEDY ****S who're more interested in money than of the well being of the sport or truly serving the public

 

Hmmm, maybe I misread the thread title.

Nope, still there.

 

Yes, the NBA should really partner up with the guys over at Street Ball and And1.

The NBA and David Stern are just being greedy ****s.

 

Poor example. The NBA is a league comprised of individual franchises. The UFC is not a league. Its a franchise that does what is economically best for itself. Additionally SF is hardly the equivalent of a lesser league. Lesser marginally in terms of talent but their heavy division has far more depth and experience than the UFC. Overeem has more losses than their heavy champ Cain has fights.

 

Overeems never coming to the UFC. Same as Manhoef and all the other guys the other MMA fighters that fight in the K-1.

 

could we say overeem would be a favorite against the best ufc heavyweights?

 

The UFC is the NBA of MMA. They're an organization. They have the overwhelming majority of talent in MMA and they have, by far, not even close, the most recognizable name and essentially carried the sport out of nothing into what it is today.

Now, what, essentially, you're asking them to do is asking them to "team up" or co-promote an event with these other organizations which are, quite frankly, rinky-dink...poorly run at best and have a few good guys. So, because they have a few good guys, that entitles them to a piece of the biggest organization?

No.

Hence my NBA analogy. While not perfect, still applies in a loose sense. Yes, Street Ball has some excellent players that could maybe play in the NBA, but no one would even suggest that the NBA has to go team up with And1. The NBA is the big leagues, just like the UFC is the big leagues of MMA. Not like it all you want, it is what it is, and it would be ridiculous at best for them to co-promote with these other organizations where they're not even in their league relative to promotion wise, name recognition and pretty much every other aspect of business possible.

And as far as the Heavyweight Division goes? That's heavily open to debate.

 

Nope not even close. As i already said its NOT a league. The comparison is invalid. And no they did not carry the sport into what it is today. MMA was around long before the UFC was even a thought amongst the Gracie brothers. Vale Tudo and MMA was already popular in Brazil Russia and Japan with far far larger audiences than the UFC have ever accomplished. All the modern day UFC did was bring MMA to a Western Audience.
As for other organisations being "Rinky dink" thats hogwash. If SF DREAM DEEP Sengoku etc can exchange fighters and cooperate why cant the UFC? The answer is quite obvious.

 

Favourite? If Overeem walked into the UFC most of their fans would cream their pants. 260lb 6ft 5 striker that looks like he was grown in a lab? The UFC loves them like that. Very easy to build a brand around.

 

I'm not sure if you believe what you say...but, damn...

Maybe you need to read ALL of what I said and not selective reading. I said the comparison, while not perfect, still works in a loose sense. It makes ZERO sense whatsoever for the UFC to do any deal in the way that you're talking about. I seem to have to say this here again because apparently you didn't read it when I said it above.

 

true

 

No your comparison doesnt work at all. MMA is a truly global sport with no ONE league but is made out of many different promotions. MMA is more like Soccer with strengths in Europe, in Asian and in America. Once in a while players from these regions play against each other in the World Cup. MMA should be like this with the best from Asia, from Europe and America fighting each other.

The UFC is like an American soccer team who are self promoted to be the best (simply because they are the best in their region). In reality though this soccer team like the UFC might be garbage when compared with teams/talents from Europe and Asia.

The last time the UFC co-promoted, their champion lost against a Pride fighter and Dana White lost a sh1t load of money in a personal bet with the Pride boss...........Dana tried to back out from paying.

 

The loose sense it which is applies is almost purely economic, that is that it doesnt make business sense for the UFC to risk there champion losing to a fighter they don't control.

In a sporting sense it obviously does not apply at all given that at HW a large number of credible fighters are outside the UFC.