Calazage only faced bums in his WBO title? OFFICIAL BREAKDOWN

you forgot the great Manfredo, second coming of Ray Robinson

 

Please show me any list where Lacy was top 10 pound for pound, because i have never seen it. He hasn't even beaten a top 3 fighter at super middleweight and was only a one time champion, so in my opinion who ever put him on their list was just throwing random names in there, because Joe himself even said that Lacy didn't fight anyone. Kessler and Eubank were great wins, and the other paper champions like Woodhall was decent as well. I wouldn't consider them bums, just not upper echelon super middleweights.

One thing that i should point out though is the fact that Eubank was clearly past his prime and was never mentally the same fighter after the Michael Watson tragedy. I would say Kessler was his best win as far as young champion and even though Hopkins was clearly over the hill as well, he was still the recognized light heavyweight champ.

 

Kessler was the only fighter he beat in their PRIME, everyone else was shot to **** except Lacy who wasnt anything to begin with...
1 fighter in their prime......thats it
10 years and 1 fighter in their prime........besides the names you listed cabdrivers filled the time in between

 

It's a good list altough not extraordinary,but not bums either

 

Exactly. It isn't gods gift to boxing resumes, but none of those fighters are bums. If you are at either end of the extremes you are being a biased dickhead.

 

indeed.

joe's resume is solid, rather than spectacular or awful.

wins over sheika, veit and bika are decent work on top of the above mentioned fights.

 

They are not bums, the only people that say they are bums are haters. But at the same time, its not the strongest list. The problem for Joe is that he was he a division that did not have many/any big names in it by the time he was coming around. He was just a little bit too late to fight Benn and Collins (who actually did not want anything to do with him) and had to fight an fading Eubank. By this time Jones was not around anymore, and as for Ottke, well hands up to anybody who would have gone to Germany to fight him if you were in Joe's position?

Then after that all that was left was Lacy who he totally took to school, and Kessler who he beat easily. So for me Joe was in the right place at the wrong time (kind of like Rocky M), as SMW is starting to become a great division. Also when it comes to Joe, people have to remember that for most of his career he was placed in the high risk/low reward catagory, thus people like B-Hop and RJJ, who Joe would have moved to fight, never wanted anything to do with him.

 

Please explain to me how any of them were "shot to ****" including Eubank who would go on to two very close challenges for the cruiserweight title in later bouts! Losing one fight does not make a fighter "shot" otherwise the vast majority of today's pound for pound list qualify!!!

 

Yeah i definitely see what you mean although i have to admit, it was very easy to jump on the Jeff Lacy bandwagon by the way he was looking pre Calzaghe. He was a very good fighter before Joe beat him and was a favorite to win, so i personally rate that win highly for Calzaghe because Lacy WAS dangerous. Its true that he didn't beat anyone and was always a limited fighter, but that doesn't take away Joe's win. They have to look at the fact that Lacy was a top 3 super middlweight at the time, undefeated, olympic bronze medalist( i think) and was the favorite to win.

 

This is a common misconception. I can guarantee Calzaghe didn't land over 1000 punches, hell if Paulie Malignaggi landed over 1000 a guy would be out! He may have thrown over 1000, but landed... To give some idea Barrera and Morales landed around 300 each in their first toe to toe epic. 1000 punches is like 85 a round, that's just silly.

 

Serious question and not an attempt to cause a row, how do you define an upper echelon super middleweight? I've noticed you use this phrase a few times and it doesn't seem to include world champs or guys ranked 3 or 5 in the division at the time. Which fighters who have been active in the division over the past ten years would you consider upper echelon super middleweights?