Calling Out "THE RING"!

It's about what you do in the ring and how you do it.....not what MOST believe will be an outcome of a particular match. PAV should be the favorite but what has he done or who has he defeated that warrants him being ahead of Bhop? Two wins over Jermain or a win over Miranda?

 

Terrible rankings. Having Hopkins there is a joke.

 

I see your point.....but if what you say is true then there would be MANY up and coming raw talented kids like Gamboa who would be gracing the P4P ranks based on his style, atlethic ability and talent alone.

P4P is just as much based on the criteria you stated as well as the "Substance" in which a fighter holds in regards to ring accomplishments.

When Fighters like Bhop, Mayweather, PAC, DLH ect move up and down and around in weights and "PREFROM" it warrants their ranking in the P4P rankings.....Most of the time you'll see that talent, Skills, Athletisim all go hand in hand when considering whether or not a fighter can successfully move up or down in weight to best the division ELITE.

Which is why you rarely ever see a HW on the P4P list....they normally stay at HW and won't shed weight to best the Champions in the Cursier or LHW divisions. Plus the HW division now is more less BIG men imposing their phsyical stature over the others.....Skill is limited for the most part in the HW division.

I agree that now PAV is the better fighter, but you can't confidently say that just b/c PAV beat Jermain twice that he'd beat Bhop. Sometimes its that easy but when you are talking about guys like PAV and Bhop there is so much more depth and variables that come in to play.....PAV is a slugger/boxer/puncher....he likes to go forward and BHOP likes to lay back and counter...stylistically this fight seems to be a good style match up for Bhop but those damn variables can cause some hesitation...PAV is a skilled fighter as well..he's proven to be able to adapt but BHOP is all about adaptation within the ring smack dab in the middle of a fight.

But back to the P4P list and what warrants a fighters ranking.... I SEE YOUR POINT! PAV's wins over Jermain...and Miranda seem to be a little better than loosing twice to Taylor although the 1st one was questionable...I thought Bhop won but oh well...then Beating Winky who was blown up, but still a tough challenge and P4P fighter and then Tarver....I think the Tarve win is what really solidified his status although it could be higher than what he really deserves.

 

dont be surprise that after DLH beats Pac

Dlh will apparentely jump into the #1 spot

 

ts has a solid point.

I see p4p like you do. Who would be the better fighter if their weights were the same.

I have Pavlik ahead of Hopkins.

Pavlik at 5, Hopkins at 10

 

That's funny because i made a similiar thread a couple of months ago. Even in their most recent issue, he is dead set at #4. I love Hopkins but i don't get why he's so high. Maybe it's a Philly thing. Isn't The Ring stationed around there? Hopkins has his monthly "How to" section where he's showing us how to do certain boxing skills. So The Ring must be close to Philly to be able to take pictures of him every month in the gym.

 

:good We are on the same page but bro. You know......Bhop has his hands full that is for sure. Pav isn't like other boxers who get in to all the talking and getting hyped up. He's just like he is in the ring....cool, calm, collected and a workman like killer. He does hunt or stalk his opponent all the while laying whatever hands he can on them. But he's got very good technique with soild skills. This will be Hops toughest battle at his stage of his career and you have me second guessing who is going to win. I was originally going with Pav based on his destruction of Gary and Hops loss to Joe, but then I began leaning towards Hop due to his counter punching style....I honeslty can't call this one but i look forward to watching it.....