Calz vs Hopkins - how will outcome affect your rankings?

CHJ is a nut but that **** is funny. :rofl

 

If that's the case then their final bit of credibility is out the door, they must go by the morons at Boxrec's point of view.

 

Good call...Trinidad's win over Joppy doesn't do enough to get him into the top 50. Top 100 is probably a better placement.

 

Indeed. Winky is still top 10...:huh

 

**** 'em, they're done.:yep

They probably only rank Roy top 50. I rank him top 25, well deserved.

 

:huh Now i am confuzed?

 

Great points.

I think people sometimes put too much stock on how many titles one had or how many defenses one had. That's all nice and all but sometimes it gets too superficial.

I think what you have to do is look at each fighter's circumstances leading up to the fight. And you brought up some great points about the Tito fight.

 

Most of these old time establishments give moderners ZERO credit and glorify a guy like Jack Dillon who doesn't deserve to be mentioned within the same sentence as the great moderner.

Case in point, Roy Jones is one of the best 25 fighters to have ever lived by default, in my opinion, one of the best 5 in ability. So for them and other hoodlums like Bert Sugar to act like Roy doesn't matter as much as Gene Tunney insults my intelligence.

 

:huh Tarver p4p? Those words should only be uttered if the word not is invloved. Winky is not p4p at 170. Also when did this turn into who has a better record.

 

Calzaghe's career was in ruins until he beat Lacy. And no doubt about it, he got credit for that win. When I mean in ruins I'm talking about he never done enough to be considered a true elite great. Wins over a past prime Eubank, Woodhall, Brewer, and Mitchell, were not worth shouting about. But credit where its due, Calzaghe has been consistent and got the big wins over Lacy and Kessler to make his 10 year reign look better.

He's rightfully one of the best fighters in the world at the moment.

I don't know what Calzaghe is talking about. Trinidad was a far better fighter than Lacy, even though he moved up in weight. He was much more seasoned and at the top of his game before Hopkins exposed him. He was the first fighter to stop Joppy if my memory serves me correctly.

 

Ahh ok all time you mean. Yeah you can only go by what you see. Most of the time. Also if there is no footage of a fighter then you cannot possably rank him.

I have seen people on the Classic forum arguing H2H status about people who there is no footage of. However, you are sometimes somewhat unduly harsh to older fighters imo.

I have Roy just inside top 20. And numero uno H2H.

 

Tarver might not have been a P4P guy but he was recognized as the best LHW when they fought. And that counts for a lot.

Again, i think it's important to look at the circumstances of each fight to make a judgment instead of just focusing on title defenses and belts. That can get superficial. I mean Mayorga was a multiple champion. Was he great?

Hopkins was a 3:1 underdog. No one gave him a shot. He was moving up 2 weight classes and coming off of two losses. Those are monumental obstacles. And he was like 41 when they fought.

 

Agreed. I never gave Hopkins a chance.