Calzage deserves a lot of credit

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  1. radab

    radab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No matter how ugly is looked, this was certainly one of Joes best performances. Against a master boxer, a guy almost impossible to look good against, Joe took him to the brink of defeat. A 4 minute time out was the only thing that stopped a TKO. Cortez duly obliged, the corrupt *******.

    Like has been said, Hopkins was good enough to easily beat Trindad, Wright, Tarver and Pavlik, yet Joe took him all the way to the brink of defeat

    And lest not forget he managed this with two of the most brittle hands in boxing

    One of our best, and most exciting boxers ever
     
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  2. debaser

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    I agree. Hopkins is one of my all time favourite fighters but his antics in this fight were embarassing and cringeworthy. He could have had no complaints at all if he had been DQd.
     
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  3. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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  4. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    If they fought 100 rounds Joe was never going to stop Hopkins, and wasn't even close to doing so at any point in the fight. Calzaghe hit Hopkins low, this was shown clearly on the replays, Hopkins took about two and half minutes to recover then basically schooled Calzaghe for the rest of the round. That's how it happened, I don't see why anyone would want to go down the path of deluded nuthuggery by saying 'Joe was going to stop Hopkins/Cortez is corrupt'.
     
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  5. Mookhound

    Mookhound Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I thought BHop was pretty gassed and could have been stopped. I think Calzaghe did a great job. i think he won fairly clearly.

    But I also think BHop did enough for a rematch. And I think he would have won it. That said, it was not JC's fault that BHop didn't turn up to the races that night.
     
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  6. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    B-Hop DID turn up, thats my point. Watch Hopkins-Tarver or Hopkins-Pavlik, its the same Bernard fighting in exactly the same way. Calzaghe is the difference, he got the decision against a great fighter, not because of something Hopkins didn't do, but because of the many things that Calzaghe did do.

    I repeat. Hopkins was not even remotely close to being stopped. Calzaghe couldn't put away a shot-to-**** Roy Jones whose punch resistence is totally gone. The idea that he could KO Hopkins - a guy with an iron chin, whose never been stopped and has the best defence in world boxing - is laughable.
     
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  7. Mookhound

    Mookhound Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would suggest you watch how BHop was struggling prior to being dry humped. It wasn't really about Calzaghe. BHop was clearly gassed and I think would have struggled to reach the end of that fight without faking the pain of the low blow.

    BHop three so few punches in that fight, compared to say the Pavlik fight (who was more made for him, I would agree). The style was the same, but the execution was totally different.

    Either way, JC won it and BHop won't get his rematch so the ledger will always read Calzaghe SD12 Hopkins.
     
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  8. radab

    radab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You can forget 100. Joe was in the process of stopping him in 12

    How?

    Exhaustion


    And to consider that a genine lowblow is ludicrous
     
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  9. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Hopkins wasn't 'struggling' in terms of his execution (no pun intended), anymore than normal. He was doing exactly what he has always done in this late period of his career. Thats how he fights- efficently- to counter the obvious effects of being a 40-something fighter. He fought the same way against Pavlik.

    The point is, he probably threw more and was certainly more effective against Pavlik because Pavlik was less busy and lot easier to hit than Joe. The execution was not different at all, it was the effectiveness of B-Hop's style. Hopkins was less effective because of the attributes Calzaghe possesses, which the rest of Bernard's recent victims lacked - workrate, great stamina, good movement and high punch output.

    Suggesting Calzaghe got the decision, because of something Hopkins didn't do, is actually doing Calzaghe a great disservice.
     
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  10. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    It was a low-blow in the sense that Calzaghe hit him square in the balls. I don't think you can get more 'genuine' than that really. The replay clearly showed this, if you choose not see whats right in front of you, for whatever reason, that is your choice.

    Joe wasn't close to stopping, not....even....close.
     
    El Cepillo, May 10, 2009
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  11. Mookhound

    Mookhound Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He was busier and obviously fitter vs Pavlik.

    While I agree with your analysis to an extent, I don't think BHop properly prepared himself for the Calzaghe fight. He looked tired and didn't adjust tactics. For example, the old school defence he used vs Tarver would have been more effective, imo. The roughhouse tactics exercised vs Wright (a terrible fight) could have worked better.

    I will always say that was not the real BHop, that every fighter has an off-night and that he thought he'd won by getting into Calzaghe's head (which he'd failed to do Lewis and JC are the two fighters we've had in recent times who aren't susceptible to mind games). But the win is JC's, whether I'm right or not.
     
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  12. Mookhound

    Mookhound Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It was a low blow. It's the reaction that was ludicrous. He was desperately buying time and trying to get JC to lose points.
     
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  13. radab

    radab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The guy was exhausted. Out on his feet. Without that disgraceful cheating Bernard was getting stopped for the first time in his career

    without....a....shadow....of....a....doubt
     
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  14. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Well, if that was true he could have taken the full five minutes. He didn't, I believe he took about 2. He could have also made a big deal about the other low blows that came his way both earlier and later on in the fight. I don't see any big conspiracy here, and it really didn't much difference to the fight. It happens all the time, a guy gets hit low, he takes a few minutes to recover. The fight continues, end of story.
     
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  15. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    :rofl Pure nuthuggery. Total fantasy.

    Joe couldn't even put a shot Roy Jones away. His pathetic pitty-pats were never going to stop the unstopable.

    I really wish people could just talk boxing instead of all this nonsense.
     
    El Cepillo, May 10, 2009
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