Calzage deserves a lot of credit

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by El Cepillo, May 10, 2009.


  1. Mookhound

    Mookhound Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think he took the time he needed to recover.

    It's not a 'conspiracy', as this was an individual's action. It certainly looked like he exaggerated the situation to buy time. That's a reaction to the way the fight was turning out, not a conspiracy.

    anyway, back to the original post. yes, JC does deserve credit.
     
  2. radab

    radab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The game you're playing is so obvious. You're taking the words i say and interpretting them how you want them instead of what you know i mean.

    You really think by "out on his feet" i was meaning Calzaghe's punches were crippling the guy?

    And you think when i was referring to all the low blow **** Hopkins pulled i was merely trying to say "he never touched him your honour"?

    No. You know exactly what i was meaning. So stop being an ******* just so you can continue arguing with someone.

    Someone was arguing with you last night. I didnt understand why cause i thought you were a fair poster. But you're not. Your a subtle troll who just tries to make other people appear wrong and youself look right by choosing to twist and restrict what they obviously mean
     
  3. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Yeah, I think you saw what you wanted to see. According to you he was 'out on his feet and about to get stopped'. Funny how this mysterious ailment never bothered him again at any point before or after the low blow.
     
  4. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I'm not arguing with you at all. Fair enough, you say that B-Hop was 'out on his feet'. Yeah, I'm sure he was tried, very tired perhaps. But I don't think that a model pro, in supreme physical condition, with the pride of a warrior, in the middle of a close fight with a guy he hates, is going to let a little fatigue 'stop him'.

    As far as the low blow thing is concerned, I just don't like the fact that you (and others) are trying to make it sound like something it wasn't. There was no cheating, there was no consirpacy, Hopkins got hit low many times and he was perfectly entitled to take the action he did. I don't think this action was unreasonable or excessive and I strongly refute the suggestion that Calzaghe was A)about to stop Hopkins or B) the Calzaghe was somehow the 'victim' of Bernard's 'cheating ways'.
     
  5. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Bhop wasn't at the races :lol::patsch

    Never ceases to amaze me this ****. Calzaghe ain't Pavlik or Winky-Wright, that is the sole reason Hopkins didn't look the same. You can turn up and produce the exact same performance as you did against another previous opponent and not look the same. That is boxing.
     
  6. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joe was showboating even as early as the Eubank fight. He was doing that sort of foot shuffle SRL did to Duran, with bolo punches, but he doesn't quite pull it off with any fluidity.
     
  7. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    He was all over the place wasn't he. Joe was razzle-dazzling him. I just remember crying at the TV 'GO JOE, GO JOe, GO JOE!!!' I nearly woke up mrs davies at the top of my village.
     
  8. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I really think we can start to forget about Leonard, Hagler and co.... its the 'Joe-Shuffle' now guys. :good
     
  9. Axl_Nose

    Axl_Nose Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would agree with that Hoya .. Joe Calzaghe was a very good fighter with a 'statistically' good record. I personally dont think he proved he was a truly great fighter because he never beat great opponents who were in they're prime.
    This is were perspective comes into it. Ricky Hatton has been taking **** all week on here for being exposed against 2 of the best fighters of the last 30 years. Joe Calzaghe never fought anybody with the equivalent talent and class of Mayweather and Pac. He also reigned in the Super-Middleweight division which is comparable to Cruiser in that its usually a 'stepping stone' division that is very light on true talent, its a division that is around 20 years old specifically created to take advantage of the dying embers of Sugar Ray Leonard's career.
    Its very hard to rate Calzaghe in a historical sense because 30 years ago he would have had to make a decision whether to boil down to 160lbs or to go in against the bigger guys at 175lbs, he wouldnt have had the choice of 168 ..
    I was never a big fan of Joe because his 'point scoring' style doesnt really excite me, the way he throws 100s of punches a round and lands about 10 just says to me how inaccurate he was .. But his performance against Lacey was fantastic and his fight with the over-loved and over-hyped Kessler was good too ..
    Talking about Kessler, is he actually going to fight anybody of any note yet or is he still in hiding ? I cant believe this guy, he makes a great name for himself in a valiant but fairly one dimensional losing effort to Calzaghe and then he disappears off the face of the earth, he must be a 'confidence' fighter, one loss and he's suddenly a little unsure of himself ..
    For me Froch would beat Kessler, yeah Froch struggled against a fluid, rhythmic Taylor but Kessler is a more 'stand-up', obvious fighter than Taylor. Froch would be more in his comfort zone, he'd know what shots were coming. He definately needs to stay away from Hopkins, stylistically Hopkins is a nightmare for Froch
     
  10. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    You really don't understand the situation regarding Kessler. It's not a matter of being scared or confidence.

    Ignorance is truely bliss.
     
  11. Axl_Nose

    Axl_Nose Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Did you just compare the showboating of Calzaghe to SRL ?? The huge difference, is that Leonard did it against some of the best fighters of all time and he did it brilliantly .. Showboating is an art but its only a thing of beauty if its done against a decent opponent. Naz was a great showboater but he always did it against bums and that takes away the glory of it ..
    Sugar Ray Leonard, Ali and Roy Jones were the finest exponents of the 'Showboat', ive ever seen. I can remember Joe trying a few bolo's and shuffle's but they always looked lame because he really didnt have the personality or charisma to pull it off ..
    How amazing is it that Sugar Ray Leonard showboated against such fighters like Duran, Hearns and Hagler, what a legend, what a fighter ....
     
  12. Guy

    Guy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopkins would dish out some more of that Jail house-ring nous and leave Froch frustrated.

    Hopkins was a ****ing arsehole against Calzaghe but since then he went back up in my estimation against Pavlik, (he's a still a git though).
     
  13. Axl_Nose

    Axl_Nose Well-Known Member Full Member

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    TFFP, could you explain to me what his problem is ?? Has he been injured or in promotional disputes ? Im not taking a shot at you, i just want to know why he's letting his career go the way it is .. I think he's totally over-rated anyway. As his number one groupie i feel you are the person to enlighten me ..
     
  14. Guy

    Guy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Number 1# groupie? :think

    Can you get me his Autograph, I like the geezer...
     
  15. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I think Kessler just does everything better than Froch. But it isn't an un-winnable fight.

    On the other hands, Hopkins-Froch may well be the worst schooling in the history of boxing.