Calzage-Hopkins-opinion

I had it 7-5 minus the KD for Calzaghe. It was close, but it's interesting I've never found many that have Hopkins more than a round.

 

7-5 calzaghe Hopkins, a game of two halves -

first half - mainly Hopkins winning by outboxing joe when he had his lungs and therefore could use his skills.

2nd half - then once Hopkins was gassing, calzaghe capitalised on his opponent being 40something by throwing massive amount of punches to compensate for massively missing lots of his blows and his blows being powderpuff. by doing this for the next 6 rounds, he barely managed to scrape back the fight that he was clearly losing.


both sides cheating a lot - Hopkins because he had gassed out, and joe becausehe lacked the skill to outbox Bernard so he panicked and tired to rough his 40something opponent up.

 

Now you are making less sense than ever. No one can make another fighter fight them. If Hopkins agreed to fight Calzaghe in 2002, then a matter of days before the AGREED contract signing was due makes a completely different set of demands, then it can ONLY be Hopkins fault. Nothing to do with ANYONE else.

Also, as someone already pointed out in this thread Calzaghe tried to get a fight with Jones Jr before they actually met. If these " legends " were so confident that Joe was such a **** fighter, and an easy win, why didn't they fight him when he was trying to make fights with them?

After all both of them fought enough **** to pad their records.

 

-I never said Calzaghe was faded and Hopkins was prime.

-I disagree. I think Calzaghe/Hopkins was a fight between two greats that were operating near their best.

-Your acting like a child, I don't have time for children.

 

haha yes typically you claim a 43 year old is near his best.


and yet you have no idea how terrible that claim is - a 43 year old athlete near his best!

rather be a child than be consistently wrong for years. it seems you are too proud to listen to the child who is telling you how to turn on your ipad, and you prefer to fumble on pretending you know more.

 

I actually scored it narrowly to Hopkins. Close enough for arguement,though,but I'm glad Joe was awarded it.

 

I know you despise Calzaghe and cant stand seeing a single good word said about him but I'm going to try to get you to understand this.

Before and after he fought Calzaghe, Hopkins was competing at the highest level of his weight division and was not being outclassed by anyone - even his two losses to Taylor had been close fights. It was not until four years later that he would decisively lose to anyone but even after that loss to Dawson he recovered his form, came back to the world level and remains one of the division's top fighters today. Nobody is attempting to say that Hopkins was in his prime but he was a long way off of being shot and you have to recognize the fact that he was a top level fighter even many years after his prime because to not recognize it just because you dont want to give Calzaghe any credit for fighting a top level opponent undermines any credibility you have on the subject.

Calzaghe didn't fight any top fighters in his prime years because he was an unambitious person, perfectly happy to be the big fish in a small pond making easy money against easy opponents. His outlook changed as his career started to wind down, as he physically started to lose the ability to stay active as his hand problems got worse, at which point he started to look for bigger fights against bigger names to boost his legacy and make a few big paydays before he walked away.

Both men were not in their prime and should have fought in 2002/2003 when they were, but that doesn't change the fact that when they did fight in 2008 they were both considered to be within the top 5 P4P fighters in the world and were repectively kings of their division.

 

I'm not claiming he was shot either. that's jones you are thinking of when shot is talked about.
he was happy to **** on his fans faces (eg mongoose face) with a lot of domestics opposition. he enjoyed this pising, and his fans enjoyed being pissed on to, it seems. fair play to them if that's what they enjoy.
Cal didn't fight top fighters because he didn't want to lose.

 

Like most Americans I didn't even know who Calzaghe was untli the Lacy fight. Gee is making an ass out of himself in this thread.

 

No...Calzaghe didn't fight top opponents until the end of his career because he was happy in his comfort zone - just like Hopkins was for the better part of a decade at Middleweight.

Calzaghe could have and should have challenged himself more in his prime years by seeking out top level opponenta but that he did not hardly makes him unique, and you can be a fan of him and recognize his ability and talent while accepting he didn't achieve as much as he could have without being insulted by his career choices.

 

naaa they are not the same at all. Hopkins opps were almost all legit contenders, and he held and defended some of the unified top three titles multiple times. that is WAY WAY different from joe defending the wbo 4th best title plus ibf defence which he quickly dumped when he realised it was too hard work. WAY WAY WAY different. to claim its the same is the claim of a man who enjoys being pissed in the face by joe.

calzaghes barely half his opposition was above borderline legit, in fact less.

couldda shouldda and yes you can be a fan, I am fine with this. if one doesn't mind being passed domestic level small potatoes 80% of the time.

 

the guy you cant answer to, yep.

you should be happy that I agree that unbeaten 36 year old joe, with his 2 best scalps ever just won, scraped a split decision over a diminished, beaten 43 year old hops, since that's EXACTLY what the judges and their resumes say too.

EXACTLY AND TO THE LETTER.

 

I indulged your questions. All but this one. Your last question.

"why you gotta enjoy running so much?"

:huh

Your English teacher must be damn proud of you.

 

and still you run.

 

What exactly am I running from?

A question appearing to ask why I enjoy running so much?