Calzage-Hopkins-opinion

Thats the trouble with you pathological liars, your memories are never as good as your tongues. You claimed that the Hopkins / DeLaHoya fight was part of a " multi fight deal " I said you were lying, because Hopkins had already signed a multi fight Middleweight Unification deal involving himself, Holmes, Trinidad, and Joppy. The first 2 fights of that deal were fought in April, and September 2001 respectively.

At this time Hopkins was running his big mouth about beating the S / Middle WBO champion Calzaghe, so Wa**en, and Calzaghe called his bluff. He agreed terms, then a matter of days before the contract was to be signed, bottled it, and signed to fight Daniels in Feb 2002 instead. 13 months after that he fought Hakkar. Then 9 months later he finished his Unification deal by beating Joppy in December 2003.

Allowing for the fact that you are NOT the brightest bulb in the chandelier, are you managing to keep up?

Then surprise surprise rather than back up his big mouth, and go for another weight category title, he fights Robert Allen for the 3rd time in Feb 2004 instead.

Now after that comes Oscar in Sept 2004, then a WHOLE 5 months, and 1 day later comes the world renowned Eastman.

So now Walter ( you don't mind me calling you Walter, after that well known liar Walter Mitty do you ) please do explain exactly who were the other fighters involved in this " multi fight " deal of which Oscar was part, in your imagination?

Only as I've already explained it can't be Joppy because he was already part of the Middlweight Unification deal. So that leaves DLH sandwiched between Allen 3, and Eastman. I wonder if Oscar even knew who Eastman was, but I digress.

Off you go now Walter to do some homework, or as a last resort, just make it up as you usually do.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyz2cws8LBE

Just something I came across on the subject.

 

its you who brought up theories. I simply told you that Hopkins didn't want to lose out on De La Hoya, and De La Hoya wanted to challenge for a major payday unified title.

if Hopkins didn't unify, how could he entice DLH?

You keep including extra terms, that I've never mentioned. Probably to try and win my argument you lost a long time ago - that Hopkins wanted more money from Joe to compensate risking losing his path to DLH massive payday.

 

He ended up fighting Calzaghe once Joe had unified his division, what does it matter if a fight feel through before that?

The two fought when they were at their highest combined p4p rank.

 

Firstly I suggest you read YOUR OWN posts. You will then see where YOU WROTE Hopkins fought Oscar as part of a Multi fight deal. He didn't.

I'll explain it again. In 2001 when Hopkins was mouthing off about fighting Calzaghe, but instead bottled it and fought the highly dangerous Carl Daniels instead there was NO talk about DLH, who at that time was campaigning at Light Middle. There was NO path to DLH at that time. The only reason the DLH fight materialised was because Oscar decided to challenge Hopkins after the became Undisputed Middleweight champion in December 2003.

So to recap there was a 3 year gap between the DLH fight and Hopkins FIRST mouthing off about fighting Calzaghe, and after Oscar there was another 3 and a half years before he met the Welshman. Therefore your ridiculous opinion that Hopkins decided to fight Daniels instead of the agreed fight with Joe Cal to protect his future fight with DeLaHoya, is simply that: ridiculous.

But you just keep on wriggling, squirming, and telling lies, it is good value for money.

 

yeah DLH wanted the undisputed title. are you being stupid deliberately?

 

yeah I didn't. I said he pursued a mutlifight deal that directed him towards DLH. I have never said anything else,its YOU who keeps adding your own words to other peoples posts.

Its weird how in telling lies you call the OP a liar.

 

You just can't stop lying can you? There was NO multi fight deal that directed Hopkins towards Oscar.

What part of 1 month before Hopkins took his first fight of the 4 man unification tournament v Holmes DLH fought Gatti at Welter, then 3 months later had his first fight at 154 against Castillejo, are you too stupid to understand? There was NO mention of Oscar fighting at Middle in either 2001 or 2002.

It was AFTER beating Trinidad in September 2001 that Hopkins ran his big imbecilic mouth off about going up to 168 beating Calzaghe and coming back down to 160 to finish off the unification tournament. His bluff was called by ******, and Calzaghe and he showed his true colours, and bottled it. Again which part of that are you too stupid to understand?

Throwing the mythical DLH fight 3 years down the line into the equation only goes to show the level of your idiocy, particularly when at that time 2001 NO ONE mentioned Oscar fighting at 160. Not himself, not his advisors, not his trainers, NO ONE.

I look forward to reading your next installment of lying fantasies.

 

Compubox is unreliable anyway. I don't take it seriously.

For just one example, it had Tony Thompson outlanding Wladimir Klitschko in their fight fight.

 

Usually I go with the man who has the more well placed and effective punches, which in this case Hopkins did. However, the level of activity was off the charts in favor of Calzaghe. It would be different if the numbers were at least closer, then I'd give it to Barnard. But you can't have literally HALF the amount of punches thrown and landed and still win a fight. There were plenty of people in outrage over the decision, but had it gone the other way, you'd likely have riot.

 

What it all comes down to is the rules.

A scoring punch must land with the knuckle part of the glove to the front of the head or body thrown with force. Folks can argue about the FORCE of Calzaghe's punches until they are blue in the face, but it doesn't mean ****.

Only the judges matter.

 

" for a muiltifight package towards millions fighting De La Hoya."




The above false words were written by the threads resident Walter Mitty ( Herol Gee ) with nothing to back them up. Daniels Feb 2002 Hakkar March 2003, neither of which times was there ANY talk of DLH campaigning at higher than Light Middle.

The clamour for a fight between the 2 of them only started in 2004, then both fought on the same day in June, as a prelude to their September fight.

 

yeah ME I wrote that. 'towards'. I didn't say Oscar was in the package, Oscar's fight was the direction it would send him. I don't have a problem with Hopkins chasing his record 20 defences whilst working towards this. Do you? Let me know if you do.

Now stop trying to pretend I said Oscar was part of the unification process. How can he even be part of the unification if he didn't have a title at the weight? You either cant read English or you are deliberately being an idiot.

Moreover its highly dubious that Wassen would be able to offer anything in the millions region for Joe who was an unknown outside Cardiff, with an unwanted title. If you really think millions were on offer for facing unknown Joe at that point, you need your sanity checking, not one of Joes fights had added up to remotely that much money.

 

What multifight package towards Oscar? Either name the fighters involved in your fabricated idiocy or STFU Walter.

Are you actually stupid enough to claim Hopkins had 2 multifight deals going on at the same time? As it happens you probably are.

Because the rest of the word knows he had a multifight deal for the unification of the Middle titles ( which EXCLUDED Oscar, as he was still a fvcking Welterweight ) that began in April 2001, and concluded in Dec 2003. Even funnier is your frankly lunatic claim that Hopkins turned down Wa**en and Calzaghe in 2001 because he had a premonition that he would be fighting DLH 3 years down the line, based on nothing other than your worthless opinion.

You actually are a complete joke. In the one post you claim " of course DLH waited until Hopkins won all the titles before challenging him " ( dec 2003 ) then you claim that he turned down the Calzaghe fight 3 years earlier because he knew that the L / Middleweight DLH would come knocking in 2004. It's hilarious.

Your level of stupidity is only surpassed by your desire to continually tell lies.