Calzaghe always beats Hopkins at any stage of their careers and here is the evidence

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  1. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Hopkins had fought Calzaghe when both boxers were 25 years old.
    Hopkins was fighting bums when he was 25 years old, because he had not even had 10 fights at that stage of his career, including a loss on his debut to an unheard of.
    Joe Calzaghe was a world champion at 25 years old.

    Verdict Joe Calzaghe {world champ} slaughters, not beats but slaughters {Calzaghe had good hands at that stage} Bernard Hopkins {green, fighting tomato cans} as 25 year olds.


    If Hopkins fought Calzaghe at 30 years of age.
    On Hopkins 30th birthday he had still not won a world title, Hopkins had had two world title fights but failed to win either before his 30th birthday.
    Calzaghe had defended his world title nine times before the age of 30.

    Verdict multiple world champ Joe Calzaghe easily beats yet to win a world title Bernard Hopkins if both boxers were 30 years of age.


    If Hopkins fought Calzaghe at 35 years of age.
    Hopkins was finally a world champion at this stage he had won only the IBF version of the title, his best wins at that stage were ?, hard to say really the opposition being so mediocre, William Bo James, Andrew Council, Steve Frank, it was possibly Echols or Glen Johnson, Johnson was in his first ever world title fight and lost to Hopkins and then Johnson lost his next two fights which were non title fights.
    Calzaghe on the other hand as a 35 year old, was the undisputed super middleweight king, holding every version of the world title at various times, beating the other undefeated belt holders in Lacy and Kessler to unify the various titles.

    Verdict straight forward win for the undisputed super middleweight champ Joe Calzaghe over the IBF only middleweight champ in Bernard Hopkins.


    Calzaghe beat Hopkins for real in Hopkins own backyard when Calzaghe was 36 years old, Calzaghe retired later that year at 36 years old, Hopkins at the time he lost to Calzaghe was 43 years old, Hopkins had his best ever results just before losing to Calzaghe and straight after losing to Calzaghe.
    Hopkins was very close to his boxing prime when he fought Calzaghe, Calzaghe was not as close to his prime as Hopkins was when they fought.

    Just before the Hopkins v Calzaghe fight, Hopkins had beaten Tarver and Wright, straight after the Hopkins v Calzaghe fight, Hopkins beat Pavlik and then three years after the Calzaghe fight as a 46 year old Hopkins beats Pascal.
    Hopkins was at his best around the age of 43 when he fought Calzaghe, he had gained experience, nous and ringcraft by that stage making up for any physical slow down.
    Calzaghe on the other hand was at his physical best when he beat Eubank to win his first world title at 25, Calzaghe damaged his hand/hands for the first time that i am aware of in only his third defence of his world title against Robin Reid, getting up to championship level Calzaghe was obviously too good for his opponents, Calzaghe was stopping them in one, two or three rounds with good hands at that stage.
    When the big fights came Calzaghe's way and he won them with less than 100% good hands, Calzaghe had gained experience, nous and ringcraft to help make up for any loss of power.
    Calzaghes best performance coming at 33 years of age against Lacy and his best result coming at 35 years of age against Kessler, but that was it for Calzaghe, after Calzaghe beat Kessler, the drive and motivation had gone, Calzaghe trained as hard and was as motivated as ever leading upto the mega fight versus Kessler but for Calzaghe's next fight against Hopkins and his last fight against Jones, Calzaghe treated both fights as just pay days, thats why Calzaghe lost his motivation and drive leading upto the Hopkins fight it was just a pay day, Calzaghe cut corners in training before the Hopkins fight, Calzaghe didnt expect Hopkins to pose a threat, he thought that Hopkins was an American hype job just like Lacy and that Jones Jnr was past his best.

    Calzaghe was gone as boxer at 35 he was on the slide straight after the Kessler fight, he had been fighting since 9 years of age and was the man to beat all his life, Calzaghe won 4 ABA schoolboy titles and 3 ABA senior titles, so it was Calzaghe's opponents cup final when they took him on in the amateurs, he was the scalp they wanted. Hopkins on the other hand was a late developer, that is one reason that his best years have come in his 40s.
    Compare two Americans if you like Roy Jones jnr and Hopkins, Jones Jnr was 24 years old winning a World title similar age to Calzaghe, Jones Jnr won the Golden Gloves twice, was robbed in the Olympic final having a stellar amateur career just like Calzaghe.
    Calzaghe and Jones Jnr were done by their late 30's like most boxers, but like most top boxers they had been boxing at a young age and were the men to beat from a young age, not the case with Hopkins, im not aware of Hopkins having an amateur career and Hopkins didnt fight decent opposition till a very late age if you dont count Hopkins losing to Jones jnr.

    To say Hopkins was old when he lost to Calzaghe, is true in age, but not in boxing age as Hopkins was close to his best, that is why Hopkins would not have beaten Calzaghe at any stage of their active careers, with the above being the evidence.
     
  2. Threetime no1

    Threetime no1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have serious doubts about that. For a start i thought his actual fight with old man BHop could of gone either way IMO, i thought Hopkins messed Joe about a lot in that fight. Calzaghe's workrate was superior but his skill wasn't.
    I think a rematch would have told us more!
     
  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    This seems the topic in which people are least likely to be dissuaded from their initial stance.

    Although I can consider either side of the equation in regards to the topic, I have rewatched the fight these two did have, and like the esteemed commentators, found it an easy fight to score by the end, with Calzaghe winning going away.
     
  4. Kittikasem

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    Nah. A peak Hopkins with more power and no stamina issues comprehensively outclasses any version of Calzaghe.

     
  5. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A peak Hopkins was in his 40s and even then he lost to a less than peak Calzaghe, therefore there is no hope of Hopkins ever beating Calzaghe.

    Anybody that says Hopkins in his 20s would have done this or that doesnt know the Hopkins story as he was a nothing in his 20s, in his 30s his only wins of note were over blown up lightweights and welterwights, it wasnt until his 40s that Hopkins reached his best and that is when he fought Calzaghe at 43 with Calzaghe at his retirement age of 36.

    Calzaghe beats Hopkins at every stage of their careers
     
  6. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He hasn't offered any proof, just a contrived assessment based on speculation.

    You do notice that it's the Calzaghe fans that constantly make threads about this fight over and over and over again as if repeating it ad nauseam will somehow make it true.

    Truth is Hopkins has the greater legacy and has beaten better fighters and given how close their fight was; a younger Hopkins with better stamina would beat Joe Calzaghe and there is no shame in that.
     
  7. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Calzahge only beat bums and old men
     
  8. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I read a post of yours on another thread, you clearly didnt realise that Hopkins career did not take off until much later than other boxers :lol:, you thought 'oh Hopkins bound to win against Calzaghe in his 20s and 30s' aye, well think again butt ! , you are not 9 years old are you ? {where did I hear that before I wonder ? :lol:}.

    If both boxers were the same age eg 25, 30, 35 etc, then Calzaghe wins, the proof is in the opening thread, Calzaghe being 7 years younger and being a really good boxer at a young age, means Hopkins best chance concidering the age difference was when Hopkins was close to his best in his early 40s and Calzaghe past his best {eg in his retirement year at 36}, yet Hopkins still lost to Calzaghe, even with the fight being in America and all American officials and Calzaghe fighting at a new weight for the first time, still Calzaghe beat Hopkins, so there never was no chance of Hopkins ever beating Calzaghe.

    Like I say Calzaghe beats Hopkins all the time everytime.
     
  9. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Hopkins was undefeated from 1993-2005. When did his career take off? You mean he wasnt a "popular" fighter until he beat the welterweight.
     
  10. Meast

    Meast New Member Full Member

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    When is Hopkins' prime? It's such a hard one to pick, he seems as good now as he ever was.
     
  11. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If we say Calzaghe is the GOAT to humor you, will you promise to go away!!!!
     
  12. Kittikasem

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    He doesn't seem as good now as he was 1996-2002, not at all.
     
  13. Kittikasem

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    :lol:
     
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  15. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What it says on the tin 'Hopkins career did not take off until much later than other boxers', Hopkins was past 30 years of age before he won a version of a world title, contemporaries of Hopkins, Calzaghe and Jones Jnr were world champs by the time they were in their mid 20's.

    Hopkins lost in 93 and 05, he was unbeaten 1994-2004 inclusive {he was held to a draw and had a no contest in that timeframe}, who did he beat in that time period ?, his most known wins were against blown up lightweights and welterweights {DLH and Trinidad}, dont forget Hopkins was 40 in 2005, Hopkins best wins per Kittikasem who apparently has a Hopkins box set lists Tarver, Pavlik and Pascal amongst his best ever wins, he was well into his 40s recording those wins, Pavlik and Pascal came after the Calzaghe fight, he even lists Hopkins second best win as losing to Calzaghe :nut, the only fight he lists in Hopkins best wins when Hopkins was not in his 40s was against Trinidad a career welterweight, {Hopkins was 36 the same age that Calzaghe retired when he fought Trinidad} Trinidad only had one previous fight at middleweight before fighting Hopkins and then had one more fight and retired.

    There is no evidence to suggest that Hopkins could have beaten Calzaghe at any stage of their active careers, Hopkins best chance of beating Calzaghe was when they actually fought, to go back in time gives Hopkins even less chance of beating Calzaghe not more of a chance.