Calzaghe and Haye?

its because there is one hell of alot of calzaghe haters on these threads, who dont give the guy anywhere near the amount of credit he deserves. Apparently to these people Calzaghe ducked everybody and is also scared of everybody too!!
As for haye my guesse is that the calzaghe haters have there time too filled with slating calzaghe that they cant slate haye yet, it'll probably be coming somewhere in the future!

 

Excellent point. Haye has no claim to being the undisputed champ. It's a pure fantasy. Haye has been going around lying and claiming the he accomplished something that he never did. His fans, of course, fall in line with this fairy tale.

Calzaghe, on the other hand, has a better claim to undisputed status. He wasn't stripped like you said. He vacated his title. The only reason I question his undisputed status is because he gave up his belt in order to pursue a fight with the undeserving Peter Manfredo. None the less, I won't argue with anyone who claims he was the undisputed SMW champ.

 

the fight with manfredo ws just to get the american heads turned tho, rather facing some mandatory in germany who means nothing and no body knows.

 

Sorry, but American heads aren't turning to watch Calzaghe fight Peter Manfredo in the middle of the afternoon. Regardless, I don't have much of a problem with him being considered undisputed. Haye's bogus claim is what really bothers me.

 

Nobody gives a **** about Manfredo. The gimmick didn't attract many American viewers and his fight with Kessler did crap numbers on HBO. Forget Calzaghe for a moment. Let's focus on the real problem; David Haye trying to take credit for something he never did. At least Calzaghe defeated all the belt holders.

 

it was close but he got the rematch thats all that matters.


and yeah Haye is full of **** marketing hype. Can't wait to see him get derailed.

 

O'Neill Bell won the IBF belt in the ring, then was stripped for rematching Mormeck. Wlodarczyk and Cunningham fought for the vacant belt (Cunningham beat him in the rematch), but Bell lost to Mormeck, who lost to Haye. As far as lineage of the belts is concerned, Haye is undisputed, and Cunningham is a paper title holder. But technically you're correct.

 

That's incorrect. Bell was supposed to fight Cunningham and refused. He was stipped 4 months after winning the title, and didn't Mormeck for another 7 months or so. So it's not like he had a choice between Mormeck and Cunningham, chose Mormeck, and then was stripped. He refused to fight his mando, was stripped, and then didn't fight again for months. By all rights, Cunningham could've been undisputed had Bell fought him like he was supposed to.

 

sorry i dont understand, i'm no big fan of haye or anything but how is he a big marketing hype!?

also if you wish to see him get derailed type in haye vs thompson from 2001 i think, pretty good

 

I think the people at HBO will know more about the american public than some bum called Big Reg from da internetz. The audacity to suggest that Joe ever considered or has claimed Manfredo to be a true contender is astounding

 

Then how come the ratings for that fght were ****? How the ratings for the Kessler fight were **** as well? Maybe they should fire whoever is running things over there seeing as how some bum knows more than they do.

Tell me when the hell I ever suggested this?