I dunno, I think Sven would have been awkward. He was pretty quick, defensively and tactically aware, a canny fighter. I actually think Calzaghe would have looked pretty bad against him, but would have won clearly. In a neutral location, anyway. It was a good decision not to fight him in Germany. Sven is a difficult man to KO, and given he can fiddle around and make you bad its a huge risk to rely on the cards.
I'm filled with sadness that one of the finest fighters of this generation, the greatest SMW of all time and a top 10 ATG British fighter has announced his retirement....but at the same time, remain confident that like another British great in Lennox Lewis, his standing will appreciate with time. Thanks for the memories Joe! Hopefully that knighthood will come your way soon!
According to Sean, Warren offered Ottke about £1 mil to figth Joe in Britain. Ottke at the time was making twice that fighting less dangerous opponents at home. So either Joe had to be willing to go to Germany and take a paycut or beg Warren to offer a more substantial deal to Sven's camp for him to come to Britain. Either way, it didn't happen and it's a shame for boxing fans that such a fight didn't come off and a bigger shame for both men that they never truly sought to make it happen. Joe also could EASILY of travelled to the U.S much earlier in his career to make a name for himself over there.
So if I hyped myself up???? Joe you retired to avoid fighting the TBooze Machine! He (Joe) would need to comeback to punch the crap out of me? IMO, same as Joe was unlucky not to be in the prime era of Benn, Jones, Toney and Eubank; Froch is unlucky that his era is just beyond that of Calzaghe. If I was Carl, I would make it my career mission to retire on 47-0, and thus leave a few questions.......
It's a shame really because the Dawson fight could have been a good one, but I guess Joes been fighting for long enough. Hopkins is running out of oponents fast, who else is there left for him to fight (I guess he is fighting again)...
If Ali had retired after Foreman: I think we would of gone it was sad that we never had a third Frazier or Norton fight. But the fact we would of avoided the two Spinks fights, as well as the Shavers, Young, Holmes and Berbick bouts, makes me think Ali should of called it a day in 1974.... If Calzaghe does stick to this retirement, I think boxing history suggests on the balance of probabilities, he has done the right thing.
U Brits should be proud of your mans career. I had my doubts about Joe, but he stepped up at the end and beat everyone out there. The guy retires undefeated, what more can u do? I would have liked to see him try and get to 50/0, but if a fighter knows its time, then its time. Respect where respct is due, and Calzaghe has earnt everyones respect.:thumbsup
That is Calzaghes legacy in a bag...doesn't look too good when its in black and white. If it wasn't for a gimme against Reid we wouldn't be talking in these terms as I think that a loss would have liberated Calzaghe and allowed him to chase the big fights. The mystical "0" was a massive mill stone around his neck. I honestly don't think that JC is finished just yet...watch for a summer fight against either Nard or Jones Jr. at Cardiff
Thats a load of ****.....FACT my ass! Its completely pathetic the amount of **** Calzaghe gets.....what he has acheived is absolutely remarkable. He is the 2nd best british boxer post-war (3rd in some peoples opinions) He gets slated for not fighting a prime RJJ or Hopkins, thats the only criticism you can level at him, who gives a ****? How could he force a prime Hopkins to leave his middleweight division to fight a fairly unknown fighter?? His division was super middleweight, its not the f**king crime of the century that he didn't move up to 175 to meet a prime RJJ...Apart from these 2 their are no other fighters that would have enhanced his legacy... Sven Ottke was crap and Calzaghe would have dealt with him...I've only seen a few of his fights and I feel he clearly lost to Reid and Brewer (havent seen the other contraversial ones. Just accept it, he was a fantastic fighter and his career will be remembered much greater as time passes, like it does with nearly all great fighters.
Man, I thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread, especially as it brought out the Scurlaruntings that that I used to know & love here so much, the old ESB brit forum legend back to his straight to the point best, & putting everyone who dared argue with him in therir place:good It was like a blast from the past this thread, when Scurla builds up a head of steam no argument can stand in his way. When Scurla described Calzaghe the man, the fighter & the legacy, he called it spot-on. It was great to read. Reminded me how great this place used to be!
Scurlaruntings is out of order - if he was a true boxing fan then he would know that any boxer with a 46-0 record is a true achievement. Fair play to Joe in retiring - will be sadly missed - what a boxer!!
Scurla is just one of the many many haters out there, but when your as good as joe Calzaghe you are always going to have haters. Joe is one of the few fighters to retire undefeated, the only British world champion to do so, universally recognized as one of the very best p4p, 2 weight world champ, first undispited super middleweight champ, 20 plus title defences and an amatuer career any pro would be proud of. Calzaghe is an all time Great. Peace!