Calzaghe announces retirement

The problem is with Calzaghe is as JonOli said IF WE ARE JUDGING HIM AS A ALL TIME GREAT

Thats the problem

Dont set a standard and judge him by that

Let his career set the standard that he can be judged by

Joe is one of the best British Boxers of the modern era

46-0 dont really mean anything deep other than he is a winner

If he had fought prime Eubank, Benn, Toney, Roy Jones, Hopkins, etc etc then he might have a couple of Losses on his record

But he would be competitve with anyone

He is a very good fighter

Deceptively good - grinds out wins with ***** slaps -

And Hopkins Pavlik win further boosts Joes Credit

A bit of a **** at times

A egotiscal penny pinching money grabber too........cos I heard he runour he tried to skank PrideOfWales out of ticket money for his fight

But least he has not given in to greed and stupid foolish pride by fighting on

He is one of Britains best boxers of the modern era

Consistent and Solid and Successful

AND A BIT OF A ****

 

Got to say I am disappointed he never accepted the Froch challenge

But I always suspected he didnt fancy it

Of course Joe would be favorite for the fight and could well win

But I just didnt think he wanted to risk it by tangling with a man who has way more to gain than Calzaghe out of the fight

 

Please explain to me "HOW" Pavlik Hopkins boosts his career ledger?

For the life of me il never understand such poor and backwards logic. Pavlik loses handily to Hop. Joe never fought Pavlik. But he fought Hop and won a disputed and debatable decision. But somehow Joe gets points because Hopkins beat up Pavlik?!??! WTF!?

 

He was/is a Warren fighter to the last. As least risk as possible for the MOST reward.

 

I said Some of the blame.


Maybe Warren was holding him back, Maybe Joe was comfortable with this until he started hearing criticism that he was a protected fighter and it was hurting his legacy.



And you say it there yourself, Why leave Warren if he was doing the best for Joe. Because maybe he was holding him back and charging too much for the privilage.

 

I rescored the other day... I gave it to zag by a couple of rounds but only because reid made a shocking start and gave away the first four rounds. Reid bossed the fight after that. This is the same Reid who was outscored by Sugarboy Malinga and Silvio Branco and stuggled with Hassine Cherifi FFS... Reid seriously good euro level operator. Hopkins I thought won the figh handily... If I was scoring in favour of who landed the most punches you have to give it to Calzaghe, on any other basis he lost the fight... Hopkins schooled him pretty much throughout. Is Hopkins an ATG light heavy??? No way... ATG middle - definately.

Eubank came extremely close to knocking him out in the final seconds of their fight, Kabery Salem floored him, Byron Mitchell nearly pancaked him, Hopkins floored him, the ghost of Roy Jones Jnr floored him and took a few rounds of him.

Pre Eubank he was ok... his win over Mark Delaney was a fair one, as was his stoppage of former good amateur Steve Wilson... that was actually a fairly competitive fight and appeared on Eurosport or ITV.

The rest of his 22 pre eubank wins came at an extremely questionable level with the few fighters capable of testing him turning up horribly out of shape or not putting up a fight- perhaps intimidated by his impressive KO ratio.

Title reign

Branco Sobot.... unknown coming in... impressive performance.. lovely uppercut starting the finish. Sobot went 4-10 (0) in his remaining fights.

Giminez.... near enough shut out by an off key nigel benn...Calzaghe becomes the first to stop him on an injury... Jiminez had a massively inflated record and never beat anyone of note.

Reid.... Reids last good performance came 12 months earlier against henry wharton... going into the fight he had two awful performances against cherifi and malinga (a win and a loss) many observers thought he was unfotunate not to get the decision. No rematch.

Thornberry.....had been hammered a couple of years earlier by henry wharton... hadn't beaten anyone since, and took joe the distance... Calzaghe was massively unimpressive.

Starie... was a good fighter... had been looking mediocre through much of 1999 when offered a suprise title shot... the fight was a non event... it was oneof the worst fights i've ever seen. Starie who had been ko'd by dean francis would go on to lose to Andre thyse for the commonwealth title.

 

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What about Enzo Calzaghr?

Where does this leave the Calzaghe camp?

What about Enzo "Big Mac" Maccarnelli?

There will be no more dinners after weigh ins now between Enzo and Joe

The Calzaghe camp is weakened by this

I just feel some leading spirit and moral will be knocked out of the camp

Joe was the leading light.............an example to them of what was possible

Who do they look up to now??????????????????????????

Its time Enzo Maccarnelli reclaimed the WBO Crusierweight Title and lead the Calzaghe Camp into a new era

 

Course it boosts his ledger

It shows Hopkins was not a shot old man but a ATG

Calzaghe held his own with Hopkins

The Hopkins goes off and dominates a young champion and shows how good he really is

Like I said Calzaghe is deceptively good

 

O didnt you know Enzo is a trainer of champions. He can go back to training his fat Welsh lightweight. Better yet he will postively fade into obscurity never to heard from again.

 

To answer the rest of your post you first have to understand where I'm coming from.

The number 3 is the total number of bouts that happened between ANY of the five boxers I listed.

Roy Jones vs Bernard Hopkins
Bernard Hopkins vs Joe Calzaghe
Joe Calzaghe vs Roy Jones

Now as I said, at least 2 of these bouts mean little. But these guys just didn't fight each other and Calzaghe was only 1 member of the 5. Yes you have a point with him pulling out of a couple of fights but with the exception of Johnson... the other fights would have meant little.

 

its fair to say though,and you missed it off your list ,that he avoided me.We had an offer on the table to fight joe in wales,and the money was more than he would have got for the robin reid fight.

mmmmm

 

Theres nothing deceptive about being good. Joe struggled to beat a 44 year old man. End of story end of thread. He looked crap, was shown to be an amateur and won a spurious decision. Meanwhile back on planet earth.... Hopkins beats up Pavlik. Shane beats up Magarito. And Pac Smashed up DLH. Nothing deceptively good about those performances there my friend. We KNOW there good thats why there all bonafide ATG`s.

 

Hopkins was undefeated for ****ing years as Champ

Then he lost twice close decsions to Jermain Taylor................styles make fights

Then Hopkins goes up to Light Heavyweight and Completly dominates the No1 Antonio Tarver

Then Hopkins cannot dominate Calzaghe and loses a tight decsion

Then Hopkins dominates Kelly Pavlik

Hopkins has struggled with 2 men in the last 10+ years - Taylor and Calzaghe

Thats how good Calzaghe is

 

So good infact that he never fought Tarver or Pavlik. But supposition allows you think that he beats them on the virtue of a debatable win over Hopkins. Yes makes perfect sense now. Cheers.atsch