Calzaghe fanboys! Convince me that Joe deserves to be ranked higher than RJJ or BHop!

People keep going on about Calzaghe not being in the all time top 100 or not above Jones or Hopkins all time,how do you judge?.

He is easily a top 5 guy in his era which by all accounts makes him an all time great along with MAyweather and Pacman from this era.Is Mayweather better than SRL or is Pacman better than Duran,impossible to judge as they come from different era's.But like all sports the latest era is usually producing the best fighters due to improving genetics training and diet etc.

I see very few boxers of any era being able to handle the stamina Calzaghe has.

 

Things are indeed interesting as those are five incredible fighters, but realistically, put them in a ring with the awesome athlete that is Jones and I do believe he would dazzle them all, despite at least three of them being greater than him in a p4p sense.

I may privatemail that guy then as I am currently constructing my p4p top 100 and Fullmer is one of those guys I find it really hard to assess.

 

you say that like jones should be ranked higher than BHOP :think

 

Because I take great pleasure in harpooning every lame post and dire attempt at humour he ever embarrasses himself with.

 

That was 3 I thought of off the top of my head, there are obviously more, I just don't note their names down every time I notice such dog****, sorry. The thread-starter had a perfectly valid base for a thread IMO, the guy was only asking a question.

 

In my mind Calzaghe needs a couple more wins against world class fighters for him to be on the level of RJJ, or even B-Hop for that matter. Calzaghe's problem is he was content to easily dominate manditory challengers in his own backyard at Super-Middle for too long. Calzaghe's obviously a great fighter and probably 2nd best p4p atm. But i think he needs a couple more decent names on his resume, like a Dawson or Taylor to satisfy his critics.

 

if critics are not satisfyed they wont be after beating dawson or taylor

 

Why? How does this make sense? The critics aren't satisfied because he hasn't beaten a satisfactory number of quality opponents to justify the ATG status he is widely credited with. A win over Dawson would arguably be the best win on his resume - therefore it would improve it a hell of a lot and go a long way to satisying many of the critics. Stop making out as though Calzaghe is some much-maligned hero that is the victim of some hate-filled global conspiracy - he isn't. The criticisms are perfectly valid until such time as he has fought enough quality fighters to justify ATG status.

 

American TV wanted a name they knew instead of the mando.

He became undisputed when he beat Kessler.

 

I am not a fan of any of them...but he beat them both...they got in the ring eith him colllected alot of money and he won both fights??? he will prob not be ranked higher b most but he still beat them

 

Who has ever said that Hopkins was scared of Calzaghe?

As above, the difference is one of degrees. The difference between taking on a harder fight or taking on a fight where there's a real risk that you won't be allowed to win.

Being undisputed champion by winning all the belts and not losing any of them in the ring is not a 'technicality'. If Hopkins had likewise been stripped of a belt, it wouldn't cause me to see his career any differently. The idea that we should view Calzaghe's career differently because he didn't fight Stieglitz is frankly bizzare.

I'm not sure what your issue is with understanding the Manfredo fight. HBO wanted a known American opponent. They had no interest in Stieglitz. HBO was considerably more important to Calzaghe's future plans than the IBF belt, so they got what they wanted.

 

Roy would be ahead, lets face it he was a heavy weight world champ,. I'd say Bhop is on a par. Both Joe and Bhop didn't get the opportunity to show how good they were untill later in there careers but I've always rated Joe ever since he beat Eubank who was world class in my eyes and although past his peak was still very dangerous.