Calzaghe fans! Be honest, would Joe have won if he'd been fighting 2001-2005 B-Hop??

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  1. El Borracho

    El Borracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe connected at a higher percentage and 100+ more punches than Hopkins. And, you want to give effective aggression and defense to Bernard?
     
  2. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Come on you chase the fights and make them happen; you do what ever you can to make them happen, if you really want them. You move weight even...

    Clinton Woods gets a shot at RJJ, but Calzaghe can't.... cmon. He's been in the game for 15 years surely he could have found one big p4p match up.

    We are living through the Pavlik sarga now... the evidence of joes antics is there for everyone to see...
     
  3. TFFP

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    Funny isn't it :lol:

    They'll go with the hold "clean shots" chestnut, or the stats were well off, or something like that
     
  4. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's easier to throw a lot of punches and connect when you don't sit down on your punches and just slap. It was ineffective aggression. The only thing "effective" about his aggression was the fact that it put Hopkins on his bicycle and that wore him out.

    And defense? Yeah, i give to Hopkins. Who landed the 3-4 hardest shots in the fight? Hopkins. Who was KD once and staggered another time? Calzaghe.
     
  5. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But i'm being unfair to Calzaghe. He did try to make the fight and when you commit like he does, he is bound to get caught and he did. It was an ugly fight against two contrasting styles. I honestly did have it 6-6. I tried to be fair i think.
     
  6. TFFP

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    Yeah, but I thought Hopkins defence was great?

    Why did he get hit so much with these "slaps", I mean they must have been wide to be considered a slap? Why didn't the defensive master block them?

    Why did Calzaghe land the most ever punches when he put up such a great defensive display?

    Complete joke.
     
  7. klion22

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    If you have to rely on the compubox numbers to tell you who won this fight, i don't know what else to say. When they read the compubox numbers after the fight, i was shocked. They must've counted every meaningless and feathrer fisted slap that even remotely grazed Hopkins' face or body as a hit. :lol:
     
  8. TFFP

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    Yeah but they were slaps, and it is physically impossible to slap unless they are fairly wide punches. So please explain how Hopkins, having put up such a great defensive display, couldn't block wide punches? Or would you like to own up to the fact he didn't actually slap, and you are just trying to find excuses for Calzaghe landing so frequently?
     
  9. klion22

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    You know what's funny? Despite all those slaps landing, Hopkins didn't have a mark on his face. :scaredas:
     
  10. ThePlugInBabies

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    it's funny because hopkins fans sure loved compubox following the taylor fights.
     
  11. TFFP

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    Nice change of subject

    So we can take into account their face post-fight, but not the punch stats?

    There goes that list shred of credibility you have on this subject down the ****in toilet :yep
     
  12. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But i'm saying. If Calzaghe did land so much, where is the evidence on Hopkins' face? If he did indeed land all those slaps, that's all they were, slaps.
     
  13. El Borracho

    El Borracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Which brings us back to my initial post:

    Hopkins fans are still looking for excuses
     
  14. TFFP

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    Some guys don't get busted up, and others get marked despite dominating. Who gives a ****.

    If you can write off the punch stats, which are reasonably accurate (they aren't off by 100 punches anyway :lol:), but can point to faces as if it demonstrates something you are even more delusional than I ever thought.

    Let's just deal with the facts of the matter, and cut the bull****. Joe Calzaghe came to fight, Hopkins came to run and spoil, and throw the odd counter. Calzaghe landed more shots, and at a better rate. If you cheat and run, and land far less don't expect to get the ****ing verdict.
     
  15. Haye

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    Difficult to say. Calzaghe won, but in many ways Hopkins got the better of him and made it his fight.

    Plus, Calzaghe was past prime too, and its hard to guess exactly how different the fight would have turned out. Hopkins is nothing like shot, its not like he was a completely different fighter in 2001-2005.

    Still, I would favour Hopkins in this period, but only just.