Calzaghe fought bums for the most part of his career but it's not his fault....

yeah...2 shining examples of fighters who "travelled for legacy" and didn't just stay at home fighting lesser opponents for easy money. :thumbsup

 

If you're trying to defend Calzaghe with that nonsense then you're a trash bin in permanent human form.

RJJ fought champions when he unified and he actually DID unify like Hopkins did, Tszyu and others that DID REALLY dominate a division. They didn't hang on to one belt fighting unranked cans like Calzaghe did. Anyone's record makes Calzaghe's look like a complete joke. When your career defining moment is beating Lacy, who's record was 21 fights in total, then you know there's an issue.

 

So your argument is that Calzaghe shouldnt travel because Jones and Ottke didnt? Wow. What a lame argument.

 

Calzaghe unified also

 

er...yes they did.

no he didn't. 2 vacant titles & 1 title that was held by a champion who won the vacant title in his previous fight. the only vacant belt calzaghe won was the wbo one tho.

tell that to the lineal & wbo champion (stripped of 2 of the belts rjj won over bull**** politics) dariusz michalczewski. kinda easy to win titles if the alphabet orgs just strip their champion & hand you the belt cos you're famous.

well your argument was calzaghe SHOULD have travelled cos those guys wouldn't...which actually is a lame argument...double standards 'n all. just pointing that out. :thumbsup

 

I'm saying he should have travelled to enhance his legacy mate. Not because Ottke or RJJ wouldn't.

And yes. Calzaghe himself is at fault. Warren shares the blame though, but at some point Joe should have put his foot down and told Warren exactly who works for who and demanded the legacy-enhancing fights.

 

Epic fail. atsch

 

Blockey jr. hypes American fighters only when it suits him. Calling Jones a good win just shows how delusional and ridiculous he is.

 

yeah...but don't you see the irony in saying that calzaghe should have travelled to cement his legacy against 2 guys who never travelled to cement their legacy & mostly stayed at home fighting lesser opponents for easy paydays?

you're entitled to your opinion mate. i would say that those "legacy-enhancing" fights were fairly hard to make. b-hop backed out & you can speak to steve collins about how hard it was to force a fight with reluctant roy. :-D in all seriousness the money was probably never right for calzaghe/rjj at that time & it was never really a serious consideration. & by the time calzaghe became a decent name in the us after beating lacy; rjj was already shot. & ottke flat out ducked joe, the crafty *******:bbb.

 

The question was if Joe could have done something to raise the level of his opposition and I say he could by travelling. Kessler has done so with defending in Australia, Wales and Jokeland. He wanted challenges. Joe apparently not so much. It's not about money. Rather pride/legacy.

And can you provide some credible source for Ottke flat out ducking Joe? I'd be very interested to see it.

 

We all know ottke liked his home fights and calzaghe liked them too but i think calzaghe wanted that fight

"Ottke's got to face me sooner or later," said Calzaghe, "I really want the fight, and Frank is doing everything he can to get it on, but Ottke's promoters are reluctant to take it.

They are not confident of their man's chances against me but Ottke may as well take the fight now and get well paid as he will not get this payday anywhere else after he is beaten by me.
I will fight him anywhere anytime and I would be more than happy to go to Germany and knock him out cold in front of his home fans"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/3163285.stm

 

Same source different story here:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/2992148.stm

"We've been talking about a meeting for three years and all serious approaches have come from us. That's why I say the topic is dead."

My conclusion to all this **** is, Calzaghe and Ottke were just:-

:gayfight

 

Wrong, read on

Blocky Jnr, the stalker who keeps trying desperately hard to get my attention.
Who have I hyped here?
Hindsight is one thing, but look at the facts

Bernard Hopkins- Former two-division world champion
Fought Joe Calzaghe on April 19, 2008 and lost by split decision
Fought Roy Jones Jr. May 22, 1993 and lost by unanimous decision

“Jones by unanimous decision based on his speed and power.”

Lennox Lewis- Former heavyweight champion

"Jones has unbelievable speed and Calzaghe's never fought anyone like him. Jones likes it when his opponent comes to him and unfortunately for Calzaghe, that's exactly what he does; comes to his opponent and is right in their face. I pick Jones on points, but I think it’ll be a very close fight."

Jeff Lacy- Former IBF super middleweight champion

Fought Joe Calzaghe March 4, 2006 and lost by unanimous decision

“It’s going to be a hard fight to pick. If Jones doesn't stay on the ropes and give Calzaghe angles and lots of movement I'm going to go with Jones by decision. Roy can't stay on the ropes and give Joe the chance to throw his slapping punches. This is a great fight for Jones to win and setup a big money fight again with Hopkins!”

Glen Johnson- Former IBF, IBO and Ring Magazine light heavyweight champion

Fought Roy Jones September 25, 2004 and won by KO in 9th round

“Roy Jones will win. I believe Calzaghe fights an amateur style. He throws a lot of slappy punches. Roy throws much more meaningful punches. In general, Calzaghe will throw more punches than Roy, but Roy’s will be harder hitting. Unless the judges are blind, they will see that the harder punches make Jones the winner. They should see that Roy Jones’ hard-hitting punches make the difference.”

Vernon Forrest - WBC welterweight champion

“Roy Jones is still the best fighter in my era and still arguably one of the best fighters period. Roy with his speed can match Calzaghe, and he has power. So the power and speed is with Roy. Roy by decision.”

Paulie Malignaggi- Former IBF junior welterweight champion.

"It's a hard fight to pick. I thought Calzaghe at first because, but maybe he's too much for Roy right now. But based on what Joe just said about the three Brits beating the three Americans (Calzaghe-Jones, Hatton-Malignaggi, Haye-Barrett), I'm pulling Roy home.....Jones by decision."

Winky Wright- Former world junior middleweight champion

“I think Roy is going to win. I think that his punches are going to be sharper than Calzaghe’s and I think that Roy is a harder puncher. I think it might go all 12 rounds, but if somebody gets stopped I think its Calzaghe late in the fight.”

Dan Rafael- ESPN.com

“Although Calzaghe is the favorite, I think Jones' style and speed -- he's still fast -- are going to give him problems. I think it will be a tough, close fight but I'm going with the upset special. I like Jones to pull it out on a close decision.”

Gordon Marino- Wall Street Journal

”Jones over Calzaghe. This is a fascinating fight. Jones is still quick and with his awkward style and dangerous punching power is able to freeze very active opponents like Calzaghe. I'm picking Jones by a decision.”

Tim Smith- New York Daily News

“Roy Jones has good power and I think that will offset the volume of punches that Calzaghe throws. Calzaghe has a good chin so I don't see him getting knocked out. I like Jones in a decision.”

Franklin McNeil- Newark Star Ledger

“On paper, Calzaghe should not have much difficulty getting by Jones. Calzaghe is a southpaw, and Jones has had his most difficult outings against non-orthodox fighters. And though each man has quite a few miles on his tires, Jones has logged a bit more. The physical edge goes to Calzaghe, but stylistically Jones’ constant movement could prove to be beneficial. If Jones can control the pace, make Calzaghe miss, score with counter shots and his stamina holds up, he will win. Jones wins by decision.”

Bobby Cassidy- Newsday

“I like Roy Jones in the 11th round TKO. Calzaghe does not have the power to keep Jones honest. I think by the second half of the fight Jones will be picking him a part. Calzaghe looked so good against Hopkins because Hopkins didn't have the firepower to slow him down. But Jones has both speed and power. In other fights, Calzaghe has been able to adjust to one of those assets; he won't be able to adjust to both, especially from a fighter like Jones.”



There are were more predictions for Jones against Calzaghe, that picked Jones as a winner.
Although there were many that also picked for Calzaghe the poll on Bunces boxing was said 60% in favour of Jones.

So as said hindsight is one thing, but lets not try to be wise after the event. Little Blocky Jnr has already proven to be that sort of ****, by coming on a thread I started predicting Froch to beat Abraham, and predicting for Abraham and then after the event writing that he should have come on the thread after the fight. :-lol:.

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Re: Im Predicting Froch to beat Abraham.
Dammit I shouldn't have come here till after the fights....oh well.

 

so now your argument is: kessler has a better resume than calzaghe. and it's cos he beat mundine.

also kessler's record of 1 fight in oz, 1 in the uk, 2 in the us isn't exactly all that different to calzaghe's 2 in the us, 1 in germany & 1 in denmark; is it?

honestly...who is more famed for talking ****? calzaghe or sauerland?

how about this bit from that article:

"Sauerland is now eyeing a meeting with America's Bernard Hopkins, a fighter Calzaghe has been chasing for some time. "There's a chance. I'm going to America next week to negotiate. It's a financial question again," added Sauerland. "With Hopkins we could go to the big stadiums with 20,000 people over here.


which one of calzaghe & ottke ended up facing b-hop? maybe b-hop ducked ottke (like he ducked calzaghe) but i'll bet b-hop never even heard from those shady ****s. sauerland are full of ****, man.



and which one of calzaghe & ottke went on to face the other top fighters at 168? if calzaghe got in the ring with lacy & kessler in unification bouts (say what you want about either but they were MUCH more highly thought of than ottke) why would he be scared of ottke?

& also from that article:

"Calzaghe is next in action on 28 June against Byron Mitchell, whom Ottke beat in March to take the American's WBA belt."

so calzaghe faced a guy who many felt had beaten ottke & was robbed of his title...scorched him in 2 in a bout where he had everything to lose & not much to gain...and then he's scared to face ottke in a unification? just **** off. that is ridiculous.

 

I don't think Calzaghe was afraid of Ottke at all. I think Calzaghe would have kicked his arse.....and they all knew it. Many of the Calzaghe criticisms are fairly won IMO, but not this one.

PS- Who cares anyway. He was a manufactured champion. In the long run, it would bot have been an impactful win.