I think he could have also meant that, when he reaches his prime Roy Jones would probably already be slipping?
Yes but you have to realise to be a hater it is not obligatory to look on both sides of the coin. It is easier to stick ones head firmly into the sand. Does Calzaghe get ANY credit for fighting into his late 30's at an extremely high level? Does he hell. Yet if he dared fight somebody around the age of himself, or a little bit older, he would get all manners of stick. Do you think if Chad Dawson fought Calzaghe now the haters of Calzaghe would criticize Dawson for picking on an old man? :scaredas:
OH really. It is useful that you reminded me, I was almost sucked into the propaganda spouted by various members of this Brit forum that Hopkins is simply an old man, 42 years old, enough said. Forget he's riding high in the p4p list, is one of the best fighters in the world if not the best around Calzaghe's weight division. As I said, heads > sand. People only want a one sided argument.
And people like you, Pffft aka Cartoon fart, forget the convenient truth that Jones was already moving up from beating Bernard Hopkins for the IBF title after 20 odd fights when Joe even turned pro. Miles on the clock so they say. Calzaghe fought toads and bums for a decade whilst Jones was whipping the likes of then unbeaten James Toney before cleaning up at light heavy before leaping up to box John Ruiz at heavyweight. The same time Jones whooped a heavyweight for his world title (2003), was around the same time Joe Calzaghe was getting dropped by journeyman Kabary Salem (2004) in yet another meaningless defence. You can dress it up like they were both old and past their prime as much as you want, but on closer examination... your a crock of poop.
No worries anytime.:thumbsup Bernard Hopkins who's last fight was NINE months previous to the Calzaghe fight and then went on to get unbelievable praise for shutting out and overated (IMO anyway, but thats beside the point) fighter stepping up from Middleweight when he was stepping down from Light Heavy. Bernard is an excellent fighter, no doubting that but he's riding a position in the mythical P4P rankings that in all honesty he doesn't warrant. He hasn't fought in 10 months, has had 2 in the last year and a half nearly and was beat in one of those. Calzaghe would have beat Pavlik with ease too in my opinion.
I didn't dress it up as anything, you are arguing with yourself. Not unsual for you, your ramblings are frankly bizarre and have no basis in anything I've said. I said Calzaghe was also 'old' and has been for quite a while, but nobody likes to mention that.
Regardless of how you rate Pavlik, Hopkins has proven time and time again he is the pre-eminent fighter between these weight classes. Not only by whooping Pavlik, but by fighting well against Calzaghe, and beating on the previous Ring Champion Tarver. If he wasn't, why would Chad Dawson and Glen Johnson be fighting with the premise that the winner would face Hopkins? Why is Hopkins somebody that Adamek is desperate to fight? Hopkins is one of the best fighters around today. I'm illustrating that several posters on this forum simply like to come out with a line like 'Calzaghe fought a 42 yr old' or 'Calzaghe got dropped by an old man' and so on, when it is not at all a fair reflection of the calibre of fighter he was facing, it is disrespectful not only to Calzaghe but to Hopkins too. Hopkins was and is much better than the version of Jones he fought, yet they are lumped together. If one was to give a balanced view of proceedings he'd say Hopkins was some years past prime but still one of the best fighters in the world...but do we ever get that from the haters? No. Haters are gonna hate, they don't know how to look at both sides.
Jones was not always 'whipping the likes of James Toney'. Lets not forget the 'mandatories' he fought which were simply mismatches and embarrassing - although I will point out that this was not Roy's fault.
Calzaghe didn't always fight 'nobodies', and neither were they all from lower divisions. Another guy that likes to give a completely one sided appraisal of proceedings...well done, not at all transparent. All you need to now do is add a comment nuthugging the **** out of Froch and your job here is done...time to log off.
Lets be honest calzaghe under performed in every fight apart from lacy who turned out to be no great shakes. He was expected to ko Reid, ko jones, beat Hopkins handily...
I have respect for a fighter willing to put it all on the line. Hence, no respect for a fighter who never took a risk, unless completely calculated in his favour. You can assume the role of resident know-it-all on this forum , but the reality is if you knew what the ingredients for a truly great fight you'd not blindly defend someone, albeit talented, never took a risk in his life. Owning you and ToffeeCack is a walk in the park.
Come on Jeff, Joe looked awesome against Mario Veit. That's right THE Mario Veit. Nobody had ever done that to Veit before.... Being a little more serious though, I think one of Joe's best performances was against Mark Delaney. I know he was the favourite anyway, but considering the time of the fight and where was at in his career, I rate it as a pretty good performance.
Yes it was a stunning performance at the time, what I will say is that Delaney was not a form fighter going in. He had had one or two shoddy performances beforehand.