Calzaghe is a warrior but he needs to re-think fighting Pavlik.

Yes as always a great analysis from you that is in noway just a bias and transparent post that is written to sound well thought out and objective, but actually just says...USA USA USA **** Yeah.

 

I don't know what your problem is. I'm just telling it like I see it. Calzaghe is 36 and is not what he used to be. He has nothing left to prove. There's no need for him to expose himself to a beating by taking on Pavlik. Lacey, Kessler, Hopkins; those are some good wins over the last couple of years. There's nothing wrong with Calzaghe cashing in his chips and fighting Roy.

 

Pavlik has to reset his feet after being attacked in order to throw his own punches. He also has to reset after lateral movement by the guy he is fighting. He even did this against Lockett. Joe will take advantage of thsi much as he did against Lacy (Not that I expect the result to be any way near as one sided). But while Pavlik is setting his feet, Calzaghe will be hitting him.

I really think Joe can win this. I think the 2nd Taylor fight shows that you don't have to get knocked out by Pavlik if you fight wary and with intelligence.

I think Joe is a much better and smarter fighter than Jermaine Taylor. He might eat some big punches but he will be able to avoid them from that point on.

 

Personally I think Pavlik-Calzaghe would be a very close fight. Pavlik's workrate and power vs Calzaghe's rhythm and speed. A very entertaining clash of styles.

But if you think Pavlik is going to lose because of a "questionable chin" then you're nuts. Zuniga and McKart scored flash knockdowns that didn't even buzz Pavlik. Miranda threw haymakers that would have put a good number of fighters to sleep and Pavlik walked through them. His only time that anyone has actually stunned him was his first fight with Taylor and it was because Pavlik made a stupid mistake that he's not likely to ever repeat again. Taylor in the second fight hit Pavlik multiple times but never hurt him. I'd put Pavlik's chin as one of the best in the business.

The worst thing Calzaghe could do in a fight with Pavlik is take unnecessary chances trying to knock him out. Even if by luck this didn't result in Pavlik scoring some vicious hits Calzaghe needs to remember that one of Pavlik's greatest strengths is the combination his unmatched stanima and high workrate. When fighting Pavlik energy conservation is key. If Calzaghe gets tired halfway through the fight Pavlik will annihilate him.

 

Not so much correct. Somebody also posted above some **** about Pav chin being Very Questionable after being hurt by McKart, Zuniga, and Taylor....Ridiculous. Taylor was the only person to hurt him and it took like 15 flush shots to do it.

Point being, Pav/Taylor II looked the way it did because both were tentative and cautious of each other to an extent, until the 2nd half of the fight where it finally looked like KP in there.

 

true, KP was also fighting a little cautious in there. When I watched it I wasn't sure why. He had just come off a spectacular KO win. Then I thought perhaps it was the occasion that got to him. WHat do you think? I thought maybe the hunger of winning the titles in the first fight might have over-run the anxiety and then maybe he got a little nervous in the second cos he had to prove it was no fluke? You could tell from his body language and how he was in the corner in the early rounds that he wasn't happy.

If that was the case, don't you think it might be more likely he'd get the same kind of feeling but worse from fighting Calzaghe? It looks like it could be a much bigger occasion with lots of UK fans travelling over. What are your thoughts about the reason for the first few rounds of the rematch?

 

Fight nice boyz :smoke

Strike where the F*ck you been?

 

I was right with you until the ' Pavliks unmatched stamina and workrate' comment,
Joe matches and over-rides his stamina and workrate, truth, both fighters never stop throwing and Joe will go for 12 rounds at 100mph, can Pavlik keep up is the question.....

 

:rofl
What? Against p4p #1 Gary Lockett?

 

A while ago I would have thought "Calzaghe by an easy 12 round decision" but the more I think about it, the bigger chance I think pavlik has got. There's a few variables which give Pavlik an edge in this fight.

1. Calzaghe is often the one who presses the fight. Kessler was backing down, Hopkins was backing down, Lacy was backing down, Bika was, Manfredo was and so on. Pavlik will not. He will be the one storming forward firing off one-two's, right hooks to the body and forcing Calzaghe to box off the back foot. I think it'll be interesting to see how well Calzaghe performs when it's him who is forced to change his way of fighting rather than his opponent. Because of his insanely short sighted his father is, I don't think Calzaghe will cope well in this situation. I think he'll be getting pushed back and won't have an anwer to it apart from a quick flurry every now and then.

2. Calzaghe has an incredibly good workrate. He usually throws over a 1000 punches a night but he's never fought a great fighter with the same workrate. Watch Calzaghe/Kessler. The rounds in which Kessler starts to become confident and throw punches, he does a lot better in. At the end of that fight, Calzaghe landed kessler by almost 2:1. It's exactly the same in the Hopkins fight. When he was letting his fists fly he also had more success. Pavlik probably has a better workrate than Calzaghe at this stage so how will Calzaghe adapt to that too? I'm not sure. And Pavlik throws hard punches throughout the night. How many times have we seen a guy get worn down by Pavlik's sheer power? You could go through history and fight punches like Pavlik, guys like Joe Frazier, Roberto Duran and Henry Armstrong who fought guys who had good speed, good workrate, just like Calzaghe, and broke them down by effective aggression over 12 rounds. I think Pavlik can break Calzaghe down.

If Pavlik can stick to his usual game I think he wins. If Calzaghe can upset his rhythm he can win too.

Close fight. I may give the edge to Pavlik now.

 

Lockett isn't a world beater but it's obvious that Pavlik showed improvement.

 

Kelly is quite standard in my opinion Kelly's greatest trait is not his vaunted power but his willingness to walk through fire in search of success. You can tell the man fears nothing as he seeks to destroy his opposition. Calz's is your classic workhorse blessed with great intuition, intellegence and determination. Joe's unorthadox style leaves questions as too how good is he really, well his record speaks for itself though it has its holes for the most part he has had quite an impressive career. At this point in Joe's career the Pavlik mountain will be a rough one, if Joe's is able to maintain his movement, speed and combonation punches at a decent pace he may be able to pull out a career defining win. Joe will not stop Kelly (can't see this happening) the question here is can Kelly land his right on Joe....if he does with consistancy Joe will suffer his first loss.

 

:rofl while I don't necessarily agree with this whole post about BigReg's post, the highlighted part cracked me the **** up.

ESB is gonna be a friggin Zoo if this fight comes off. Should be some good fun.

It brought straight to mind that recent claymation movie "Team America: World Police" I think it was called, silly as ****, but had a song in it that killed me every time: would be like "America, **** YEAH!" LOLOLOL!

 

I'm here all the time, I just mainly post in the Lounge because there are too many idiots on the General Forum and conversations just go around and around in circles.

 

You're saying this based on his fight with Lockett?, Lockett was a punching bag man and still managed to catch Pavlik with some really good flush shots even though he lacked the reach and skills. Calzaghe will beat the living hell out of Pavlik and that fight encouraged Calzaghe.