Calzaghe, Jones and Hopkins

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  1. Kittikasem

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    :deal:deal:deal Thread over.
     
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  2. Joe.Boxer

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    Fixed
     
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  3. Joe.Boxer

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    Agreeing with DINAMITA/popkins/pacfan84/Kittyqueerson = noob fail
     
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  4. Kittikasem

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    Joe.****** = ******
     
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  5. Kittikasem

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    Yeah, this fight would have been real competitive wouldn't it? :patsch

    Spot the difference ****wits!

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlx76RFvNng&feature=fvst[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACgTJhEdj5M[/ame]

    :lol:
     
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  6. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    ????????
    The former head of HBO boxing says there would be interest in Jones fighting a hw, and there was. Jones could demand the crown jewels for that fight.

    Calzaghe was never in a position to demand anything. He wasnt even known in America, so why on earth would HBO be willing to pay him anything?
    ?????????
    Lou Dibella was aware of Calzaghe, but the American fight fans knew nothing about him and they are the ones that count at the end of the day, which is why Calzaghe needed to go and fight on HBO so they could see him. He needed there to be some interest in the fight before he could try and make it.
    Frank ****** Responds, Tells All on Joe Calzaghe - Boxing News


    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Barry...+title+tilt+to+receive+knock-out.-a0116628630

    ?????????
    Brannon was his ibf smw mandatory

    Otis Grant was easy fight so Jones could get used to fighting southpaws. He needed to fight Johnson(southpaw) and De Valle(southpaw) to unify the belts.

    I dont really see how bringing this up helps you
     
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  7. knockout artist

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    You know how boxing works Zod, when you fight the big names you do so for the most money. Would Jones have faced Toney for the same money he got for facing Bryan Bannon? Of course not, he wanted the crown jewels. Would Joe have faced Roy Jones for the same money he got for facing the likes of Sheika? Of course not, he wanted the crown jewels.

    Why would HBO be willing to pay him anything? Another stupid question. Perhaps because Joe was a live body who could actually provide an exciting fight, unlike the opposition Roy was actually facing at that time.

    Was Joe any less well known than the likes of Otis Grant and Glenn Kelly? HBO had no problem producing those fights. Joe would have brought with him a considerable following from Britain, and this fight would have produced good viewing figures in Britain as well.







    Zod you constantly reference nonsense that isn't relevant, so it's no use you playing ignorant and asking how this helps my case. You know exactly how it does. Jones made quite a few terrible voluntary defences against unknown opponents, then you say Joe wasn't well known. Roy fought guys who weren't a household name in their own households. Funny how the double standards start coming up when you mention opponents like Nigel Benn, Steve Collins and Joe Calzaghe, all of a sudden these guys were unknowns. Yet the likes of Otis Grant and Derrick Harmon were worthy :lol::lol:
     
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  8. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk0OtpZ90hU[/ame]
    Go to 4:40
    His been wanting to fight me, and me him for the longest time.
    What does the longest time mean? 6 months? 2 years? 4 years?
    Without actual times you don't have much.

    It should also be pointed out that those guys are trying to sell a fight, you would be on much better ground if you got actual quotes from the time period in question

    See my previous reply
    I don't know if its 2006. I know he has confimed there was an actual offer in 2006. I have yet to come across talk of an actual decent offer being confimed before that, so why should we assume it must be during the early 2000's

    Another Calzaghe quote, because as we all know Joe has never lied about anything

    Why are you constantly using Jones quotes from 2008, where he is acting as a promoter and trying to sell a fight? Why can you not post up quotes from the early 2000's.

    Calzaghe said it was 6 years and that's your proof? Where are confiming reports from HBO, Showtime or even Square Ring? Why is it that you can't provide no evidence from more neutral sources?
    But he is lying. He is trying to pass off a washed up Jones as a dangerous opponent, which means he is lying.

    ?????????

    HBO were against the idea of a Jones-Collins fight in 1999, due to the fact that he hadn't fought in a while and did not have a belt, There was simply no interest in America for that fight, which is why Dibella suggested he fight Calzaghe for his old belt, possibly on HBO. Collins pulled out. Dibella gives Calzaghe a date on the undercard of a massive fight. Fighting on HBO is the key, not whether he fought Collins or not. There has to be a demand for the fight, before you try and make it.

    Fighting on HBO was the key. There has to be a demand first before HBO can get the ball rolling. I think we can safely guess what Calzaghe would of said IF they ever got around to making him an offer.
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Boxing:+I'm+lord+of+the+Welsh+rings+says+Calzaghe.-a060444934
     
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  9. Loudon

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    Bailey,

    I'm not splitting hairs. I'm honestly trying to find the time period that Joe's referring to.

    Zod's links and quotes contradict everything that Joe says in your videos. You must have posted those videos up a hundred times. But just compare his quotes on your videos, to the ones that Zod has posted.

    On your video he says he chased Roy for two years. In one of your older posts, he says we've been chasing Roy for 5 or 6 years.

    In Zod's links, he says that he's not chasing Roy.

    So you tell me?

    He didn't make any serious attempt to make that fight. Mentioning Roy's name on soccer am and in post fight interviews is not attempting to make a fight.

    Now believe it or not, I do respect your opinion, even though we don't agree. I never thought you'd come back on this thread and fight your corner, so I've got a huge amount of respect for you for doing that. You're replies have really made this thread great! So thanks mate!

    Getting back on topic, everyone has a right to express their opinion, and we all see things from different perspectives.

    But if we concentrate on actual facts for a moment, the facts are, Joe never fought in Roy's country or his weight class, until 2008.

    It's not what Joe said, it's what he did that counts. The facts state that he didn't do anything to get himself that fight.

    Saying that he wanted to fight Roy does not constitute him chasing the fight.

    The American audience had hardly seen him fight, and they didn't respect him til he beat Lacy in 2006.

    Do you think that Joe was exaggerating when he said 5 or 6 years?

    If you think he was being genuine, and you agree, what time period do you think he was referring to?

    Or do you think the 5 or 6 years he mentions, are a culmination made up over a period of time, such as 2 years in the 90's, plus 2 years early 00's etc?

    I'd be very interested to have your opinion on this.

    Thanks Bailey!

    Loudon.
     
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  10. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    Jones didn't know how much money he was going to make against Toney. The agreement was that him, Toney and Arum would split the ppv money.
    By the time he faced Brannon he was a HBO fighter getting around 1.6M per fight
    Joe was unknown in America, which automatically limits how much he could reasonably ask for. How much was he even getting before he faced Lacy? 500K? 600K?
    Bizarre

    HBO were contractually obliged to pay a certain amount for Jones fights, no matter who he faced. The numbers vary depending on your source, but they would of had to pay a licensing fee of around 3m+ for his fights, which Jones would then have to split with his opponent.

    Due to the fact that there was no demand for Jones-Calzaghe, due to the fact that fight fans did not know who Calzaghe was, then I can safely say that they would not have been willing to pay a licensing fee much more than what they were paying Jones to face his mandatorys.
    Neither cCalzaghe or Jones would of got the crown jewels for that fight

    They were contractually obliged to buy his fights, it was part of his deal with HBO.
    According to who? Calzaghe wasn't even that well known in Britain before the Lacy fight
     
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  11. JASPER

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    Chin-checkers taking it on the chin again . . . Bailey; "bull****, bull****, bull****": KOartist; "stupid****, stupid****, stupid****": Headgiver; "mmm, mmm, mmm" (busy sucking calslappy dick).
     
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  12. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    If you say so
    Joe would not of got much more than the likes of Harmon and Grant. He should of just accepted that fact. An alternative for him would of been to challenge Darius M, on the assumption he got passed him, which I doubt, then I'm sure he would of had more bargaining power with HBO
     
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  13. knockout artist

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    Yes I do, I have a quote from Roy Jones himself which is also video evidence. That's far more than you have :deal

    How would that quote from Roy help sell the fight? :patsch It doesn't at all.



    Exactly, you were trying to pass your opinion off as fact earlier, and now you admit it. You don't know at all.


    You're happy quoting the guy when it suits your agenda.

    That quote from Jones is more than you have.


    Go as far back as 2001, Calzaghe calls Jones out on the Mcintyre undercard.

    Fighters take all their opponents seriously. Jones had looked in his previous fight against Trinidad, and Calzaghe was around 37 years old himself.

    This is all I have time for today
     
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  14. Loudon

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    Zod,

    Hi there, great debate!

    I agree that Joe targetting DM, could have got him a fight with Roy.

    I've mentioned that a few times previously.

    Frank knew that Joe didn't want to fight in the U.S. and build up a fanbase. So if they were serious about getting Roy in the ring, but without going to the U.S. they had to target DM.

    If, and I know IF is a big word, but If he'd have moved up and fought and beat DM, then they would have something that Roy wanted, and a fight could have been made for decent money.

    That should have been Frank's plan if they were both serious.

    But the fact is, Joe had no intention of fighting in the U.S. or moving up to 175 at the time, so a fight with Roy wasn't at all viable.

    As I said yesterday, I've seen a few of DM's fights, but not a great deal of them. Do you think he would have beaten Joe?

    Many thanks for your great thread!

    Regards, Loudon.
     
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  15. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    You've got nothing. All you have is some vague words from a over the hill fighter trying to sell a fight.
    How about the fact that his trying to make out that the fight has been building up for years?
    How on earth was I trying to pass my opinion as a fact? It was my opinion. How can you claim it applies to the previous 6 years?
    Never moved up to lhw
    Refused to fight in America
    Refused to exercise the wbo super champion option, which would of made him the mandatory for Darius M
    Faked an injury in an attempt to get out of facing Lacy
    I think the above quote holds up just fine
    Calzaghe's actions speak for themselves
    Claiming to be injured everytime Waarren tries to get him to fight in America
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Might...ca;+BOXING:+CALZAGHE+TAKES+JUST...-a073873000
    Refusing to even promote his fights in America
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    On record as saying he didn't want tough fights

    Refusing to move up even though he himself admits that there was nothing for him at smw

    http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/i-am-the-best-says-honest-joe-6352495.html

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Boxing:+I'll+weigh+in+with+a+move+up+and+title,+says+Joe.-a0111955050
    (If he moved up after Brewer he would of been the mandatory for Darius M)
    Then admits two years later it would be to risky.

    What were the terms that Waarren offered to Jones?
    What was he willing to pay him?
    How much was HBO willing to pay for the fight, did they even want it?
    How much did Calzaghe want for that fight?

    Without the details you dont have anything


    Jones looked terrible against Tito
    See you later, BAILEY
     
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