Calzaghe, Jones and Hopkins

What difference does it make what medium people show evidence in???!

So a youtube video with some nobody gassing about things they don't know anything about is real evidence, whereas a verbatim quote taken directly from Joe Calzaghe's own official autobiography is not??????!?!?!

Seriously Failey, you're getting worse. :yep

 

Have you read the autobiography or seen all those quotes in there?

I think video evidence is greater than quotes you havent read

 

I have read the quote from the autobiography. I don't own the book, but found it in Borders and read that quote after I'd seen people listing the page number on here a few months back.

The quote is in the autobiography in black-and-white, I have seen it with my own eyes, so it is no less valid than any youtube video with spurious claims being made verbally.

In fact, it's much more valid because it IS Joe Calzaghe's own words, officially.

You've lost this one as well Bailey. :smoke

 

Bailey,

All your video proves, is that Joe said that he chased Roy. It DOESN'T prove that he actually did, it just proves that he's on record as saying he did.

I could tell everybody that I've got a giant ****! But it doesn't mean that I have.

Saying and doing are two completely different things!

I keep telling you this, don't look at what he said, LOOK AT WHAT HE DID!

Actions speak louder than words. You can post a hundred videos up of Joe saying that he chased him, and I can shoot them all down, by stating factual information on what he didn't do to get him in the ring.

If you genuinely believe what Joe was saying in your videos, then please tell me what you think of Zod's links that say "I'm not chasing Roy" Seriously I'd love to know.

The difference between your videos and Zod's links are as follows:

Zod's quotes are from guys like Lou De Bella, FW, and other sources.

Most of your quotes are just from Joe himself. But you know Zod's links contradict a lot of what he says in your videos. So again, what do you think about this?

Some of your questions are bizarre!

Why did Joe have to fight in America?

Why did Joe have to fight at 175?

If he wasn't willing to do any of these things, then how did he expect to get Roy in the ring? The American fans had only seen Joe a handful of times. They didn't know him. There would have been no call for the fight. Did you expect Roy to fly over to England? What's Otis Grant got to do with anything. Grant was Canadian, who'd fought in America a number of times, and he was happy to move up and fight Roy at his weight for a small percentage of the purse. Joe wasn't willing to do what Grant was.

No Carl Froch didn't go to Canada, but the circumstances are completely different. Carl is known from the Super six fighting Taylor, Ward and Johnson etc. He's known to the American's, where as Joe wasn't, because he'd never fought over there, and they'd only seen him a handful of times. There's also a world of difference between Carl not fighting Lucian Bute in Canada, and Joe not going to America to fight Roy, who at the time was considered the best fighter in the world.

Collins brought nothing to the table. The fans didn't want to see it. There was no demand for it. Roy swerved Collins in 1999 to instead fight Reggie Johnson in a big unification fight. If Joe had've gone to America and impressed, I've no doubt that there'd have been interest in the fight. I know Hopkins messed him around, but that shouldn't have deterred him. He should have gone anyway and fought whoever he could to get noticed.

Back to the evidence, are you saying then, that you believe what Joe said in your videos, but you don't believe what he says in Zod's links? Is that what you're saying?

It's you whose getting desperate, trying to say that him saying he chased Roy is off the cuff. Ha! That's not off the cuff, he was adament that he'd chased Roy for 5 years. There's nothing off the cuff, and no hairs being split. Joe was exaggerating, it's as simple as that.

I'm not denying that Joe didn't call Roy out on the Tyson undercard. I'm asking you what he did, to back up his interview? What did he do to back up his claims? Nothing! Yes we have proof that he called him out, but then what? What did he do after fighting on the Tyson undercard? Who did he fight? How did he try and get Roy in the Ring? If you came round to my house, I could say "I'd love to fight Tyson Fury!" It doesn't mean **** unless it's backed up, they're just words. Talk is cheap. Again you're listening to what he said, but look at what he did, and didn't do, that's what counts.

Do you think Roy (the best fighter in the world at the time) is going to take up Joe on his offer, just because he mentioned it on the Tyson undercard? Who the **** was Joe to someone like Roy in 2001? Roy was the unified 175 champ. Joe was an unknown european fighter at a weight below. Do you think Roy was going to respond to that? It's laughable!

What's Lewis and Tyson got to do with anything? You're telling me that videos are concrete proof. Joe dismissed Roy in a video early 2008, only to fight him 6 months later. That video tells you exactly the sort of guy that Joe is.

Lou de bella knew who he was yes. But the average American fan didn't, because they'd hardly seen him fight. It's not hard to understand is it? He'd never fought there.

How are Zod's links helping you? Yes Di Bella was interested and there would have been an offer, but it wouldn't have been for the crown jewels would it? Do you think Di Bella and HBO would have offered Joe millions of dollars? Why would they have done that?

Again, how do Zod's links help you? Frank claims to have offered Roy a deal in 2000, and Joe said he wasn't interested, so?????

A fight with Roy wasn't offered in 1999, but Joe had an opportunity to fight on HBO in 1999, and if he'd have impressed, he could have got a shot at Roy at a later date.

I know why they nicknamed him no show Joe, that's obvious. My question to you, is what do you think about Frank saying that Joe REFUSED to fight in America?

Once again, the proof that he didn't chase Roy, is in what he didn't/refused to do.

You ask stupid questions such as, How do I know that DM didn't want to go to America to fight Roy? Ha! Because he turned down two offers and HE DIDN'T GO!

It's the same with Joe. You've got your video evidence of Joe saying he chased Roy, fair enough.

You've got the actual words coming out of his mouth, but you tell me how he tried to get him in the ring?

Tell me please!

He said he wanted him, but he did NOTHING to back up his claims!

Once again, you've only got proof of Joe SAYING that he chased Roy.

You have absolutely no proof whatsoever to support his claims, because it doesn't exist, because he didn't chase him.

Finally please answer me this question,

If Joe tried to pull out of the Lacy fight, due to a psychological problem, then how the hell could he have been willing to fight a peak version of Roy?

Think about it!

Regards, Loudon.

 

Haha!

 

Antonio Tarver is the only one I have seen truly chase Roy Jones... If he didn't, he would have never got his shot...

All these people claiming they chased Roy, obviously needed a lesson from Tarver.

 

^ This


The rest just used Jones name as levergae for other fights nothing more !

 

Tarver should send them all Complete Idiots Guides: "How to get Roy Jones in the ring"

The main difference between Tarver and all the other people that "chased" Roy, was that Tarver was the only one that actually believed he could win..:yep

 

bailey's corner should have thrown in the towel pages ago. He's taking unnecessary punishment.

 

Tarver just copied Telesco's tactics to get a fight with Roid.

 

Couldn't agree more ..You never heard or read any quotes from Antonio saying " I know my capabilities I would need the crown jewels to fight him "



Or him turning 5 mil to fight Jones ! Tarver as much as I couldn't stand him went at Jones like a boss while the other 2 acted more like fans !

 

interesting that you'd claim that you are schooling people, in a thread where you are bieng completely schooled. A very Bailey thing to claim.

you called Loudon a dummy for no reason, you lost your rag. you deny it after being shown you did the deed. deal with it, but dont pretend it didnt happen.

I am sure there is no relation between you being schooled and you losing your rag.

 

Who mentioned Chad?
Oh you did, of course.Pick any random boxer to meet your own agenda, rather than debate about the actual boxers we are talking about.

Another failey avoidance tactic.

 

Christ, Failey is getting absolutely ****ed up in this thread, even more than he usually does. Ouch!