Calzaghe, Jones and Hopkins

Yeah, what Tarver did was pretty impressive, though I hate that it happened...

He called out Roy right after the Ruiz fight, where Roy looked great... He was also calling him out at LHW for a while.. He didn't have to wait until Roy looked bad in a fight, or lost 3-3 fights, 2 by devastating KO..:deal

 

prime jones destroys prime calzaghe simple as that

 

What quotes in the book do you reffer to?

 

I will be honest Loudon and admit I havent read all of that. Break anything you want to answer into quotes or just shorten the post if you cannot do that, and ask a direct question

 

Do you think calling someone a dummy is losing your rag? atsch
Desperation at its finest

 

You mentioned another fighter in Froch, so I asked your opinion on Chad. Looks like from your answer that you have self pwned again, because YOU brought up Froch for me to ask the question about Dawson.
Typical Herol getting owned

 

Ha! It's not that long, and it's in response to everything that you've put to me.

I appreciate that it's quite long though, and people are busy, but i've responded the best I can. I've made sure that I've answered all of your points, and then I've come back with a few questions of my own.

If you don't want to respond, or you haven't got the time, then that's fine, but's there's no reason why you couldn't have read it? I think that's very rude of you mate to be honest! Sometimes I don't like replying to your posts, but I make sure that I always do. Again if you're pushed for time, and you want to reply to shorter posts from other members, or come back to me at a later date, no problem. But to not even read it? It's not something that I'd ever do.

I'm not going to go through it and break it down, so we'll leave it.

 

Hi mate, sorry for the late reply, I've not got a lot of free time right now.

Roy did say he was considering dropping back to 168, and in the video link bailey posted up to Soccer AM, Calzaghe Jones mentions him which is progress.

Though I agree entirely that Roy was obviously looking at bigger and better things, such as a £17m payday against Ruiz and a chance to make history.

Things can change, and your views can change in 2 years, surely at some point in your life you've felt something, only to change your mind over 2 years, I know I have. Joe might not have backed himself in 1999, but as he kept on defending his title, winning and getting better his confidence would have grown, to the point where he felt he could challenge Jones and Hopkins. Why would he call them out if he wasn't genuine? He called out Hopkins multiple times and agreed to fight him in America, only for BHop to pull out.

Also, which of Zod's links prove that? Not the Lou Dibella Collins-Calzaghe link, as that proves nothing.

But if the fight had come up, I'm sure he wouldn't have turned down the payday.

Frank says one thing when they're together and you say he would be bias, he would certainly be bias as they split and fell out. Frank was obviously trying to clear his own name amidst the allegations, you say Frank has reason to lie when he was promoting Joe, he had reason to exaggerate when he fell out.

He was a hypochondriac. Did he look nervous to you when he was fighting Lacy?

Why wouldn't he want the Crown Jewels? It's a big risk. To face Roy Jones, he would have wanted more than he made for his standard WBO title defences, and why wouldn't he demand that?

Roy confirmed himself in the video I posted that Joe wanted to fight him for ages, but people stood in the way. Why would Roy say that if it wasn't true?

Sorry for the late response once again, and thanks for taking the time to type all this up

 

Interesting post, but I dont recall Super champs being a thing with the WBO, so dont know how many would have known that. I think it was the WBA that started the whole S champ thing around that time.
Still at that time when that was said, Jones was at HW and being bust up by Tarver, so this debate would still be happening. If he beat Gonzalez his first fight would be a defence against a then unkown novice called Zsolt Erdei, where he would have got no credit then, so he was probably better to wait just over a year and fight Lacy in a unification.
Still interesting post

 

damn right I mentioned Froch, in comparison to Hearns, in a convo with another poster. Totally related and entirely relevant.

You mentioned Dawson on your own agenda. Neither I nor the OP would have dreamt of mentioning Dawson wehn talking about exceptionally brave fighters.

So it was your failey, Bailey. You are fo course welcome to contribute to any convo you want, but if the two conversants are speaking English and you try to butt in speaking Swahili, then you are going to get rightly ignored.

Speak topical, or start your own thread. Oh, I see you already have started a dawson hate thread. well done, thats better.

 

Bailey,

When you say you rate the Hill win for Jones higher than the Hopkins win, I would like you to take some things into consideration...


You have said, Hopkins was not a formidable MW champ at the time... Well neither was Jones, neither of them were champs yet, they were both green at the professional level...

Two young fighters met for a vacant title, one got the better of the other, both went on to legendary careers.. Hopkins after losing to Jones went on to establish himself as and ATG MW, possibly the greatest by most standards.. Jones after beating Hopkins moved up in weight and won titles in 3 other weights, including beating Toney, undefeated and considered P4P best by many...

Sometimes beating an unproven fighter that goes on to do great things, is
better than beating an already formidable great champion that doesn't do great things after his defeat..

It wasn't until Hopkins established himself as a great fighter, when you look back and realize those unproven MWs fighting for that vacant belt were both great fighters, that fight was fought at a very high skill level...

I am sure you use this logic with Calzaghe opponents that win titles after Calzaghe beats them, I have seen it......

Did he ever beat someone that went on an ATG run afterwords? If he did, how would you rate it?

This is why I rate Hopkins as Jones' 2nd best win... At the time, it didn't look like such a legendary fight.. But in hindsight, is was exactly that.