Calzaghe, Jones and Hopkins

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by general zod, Jul 22, 2012.


  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I must have done more damage to you then I ever realised. In my short time away you have mentioned my name so many times. I can only think tha I must be keeping you awake with the brutal pwnage administered over the few years.
    You have lost the right to call me out when you started going on about me taking advantage of you half way through a thread and saying you were ignoring me like a *****. You come out with so many daft things like you are a cuckold :oops:, a bare knuckle fighter, a historian and trying to sound gangsta with drugs talk :oops::lol::patsch. Your biggest moment has been calling me out on ESB and taking a whipping on here.
    On this post alone here you have mentioned my name 10 times :lol::oops:, not to mention the other posts.
    That just shows how bad you have taken things because there is not one counter in any post of yours, just you being a fan boy to Zod who wished hed never begun a big boys thread
     
  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    G Zod self pwns again.

    Double standards at their finest here as Calzaghe openly says he will go to Germany to fight the rival champ in his division whilst Jones talks his way out of travelling to Germany to fight his rival champ.
    Shows the nature of the men in question and Zod makes a joke of his own thread
     
  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You quote Eubank :lol:.

    Do you quote him also says similar about Froch according to ESB poster Atberry
    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378164

    :hi:
     
  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Think you missed the point of the thread.
    The point is Calzaghe was calling Jones out. Jones wanted to go after the HW title and I dont think anyone blames him for that. But Calzaghe was calling Jones out.
    Same as when Calzaghe fought Jones instead of little known, no money Dawson who ducked him previously
     
  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    :huh You think comments like this that have provided no counters are a victory :lol::patsch.
    Im embarrassed for you boys :oops:
     
  6. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    ?????

    Point 1:

    HBO contracts


    Jones was a hbo fighter, which meant that hbo were:
    1: Contracted to buy his fights
    2: Pay a premium rate for his fights

    Mandatories:
    Mandatory fighters are entitled to 25% of the purse, which meant thAT Kelly, Woods etc would get 25% of the HBO licensing fee. Lets say HBO pay around 2.5m-3m for the rights to air a Jones fight, that would mean Kelly would of got around 600k+

    Voluntary:
    Because Jones was not obliged to fight these guys he was under no obligation of give them a decent percentage. How much would he of given someone like Grant? 300K? 400k?

    The only fighters who could have a say in voluntary defenses would of been guys like De Valle and Johnson who had belts which Jones wanted. He had no choice but to give them a decent slice of the HBO money. HBO in turn would of wanted these fights, so they would of been willing to pay a bit more for them

    Seeing as how Calzaghe was bringing to the table nothing he wanted, then Jones would of been under no obligation to agree to give him much of the purse. Would Calzaghe be prepared to fight Jones for 400k-600K? Of course not. He made that kind of money fighting against no-hopers like Pudwill and Thornberry.

    The only way Calzaghe would of got a decent purse would of been if he was able to make HBO interested and that would of been by
    1: Getting a lhw belt
    2: fighting in America. The two things which Calzaghe refused to do

    and this brings me to point 2
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hi mate, thanks for the reply, I know you're busy.

    I've heard of pre fight jitters before, but I find it very odd that a guy who claims he wanted Roy for years, was nervous about taking on Lacy. It doesn't make sense at all.

    Frank did say that they had chased Roy for years, I read the link. But then he also said that Showtime called him "No show Joe" and he refused to go to America. So it's a strange isn't it? But my opinion is, Frank at the time was just publicly backing Joe. But when they split up, the truth came out. As I've said a million times, how can he have chased Roy, if Frank admits that he refused to go to America. You can't chase someone when you fight in a different Country, at a different weight.

    The tv networks in America knew that Joe was a good fighter, and they wanted him to showcase his talents to their American viewers. They could see the potential. An exciting Southpaw with an Italian herritage would have been a big hit in the U.S. especially in a place like New York. But from Bernard's perspective and the U.S. fans perspective, Hop vs Joe wouldn't have been a huge fight in 2002.

    Again I think Roy was just trying to promote their fight. Joe said he had wanted to fight him for years, and then they interviewed Roy, and Roy agreed. He said he knew he'd wanted him for years, and he'd been aware of him etc, and he knew how great he was, and now they were finally going to get it on. There was no animosity, they were both being polite and respectful. Nobody was going to bring up Joe's comments from 2006 for example. (although a journalist did at some point, but not in front of Roy.) So I think it was just to hype the fight. Like I said the other day, I don't think Roy would have given Joe much thought back in the day.

    I don't think Roy can tarnish his legacy to a true boxing fan. I don't understand all of this "If he'd have retired after Ruiz, he'd be one of the greatest ever, but now he's only top 50 etc" It's all nonsense in my opinion. It's a shame to see him now, but you can't undo what's already being done. I don't think he can win any version of the cruiser title at this point.

    Regards, Loudon.
     
  8. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    point 2:

    Chasing fights:

    Bradley:
    Bradley said he wanted to fight Pac-man and Mayweather. He also:
    1: Fought on HBO
    2: signed with Arum
    3: Moved up

    Hatton:
    Hatton said he wanted to fight Mayweather. He also:
    1: Moved up
    2: Fought on HBO
    3 Went to America

    Tarver:
    Said he wanted to fight Jones. He also;
    1: Became Jones's mandatory on 2 occasions
    2: Fought on HBO
    3 Took the small end of the purse for Jones I, because he was hoping that fight would lead to bigger fights down the line . If tarver insisted on the 'crown jewels' I think we can safely say he would of got no fight.

    Calzaghe:
    Said he wanted to fight Jones. But he:
    1: Refused to move up
    2: Refused to fight in America
    3: Wanted the 'crown jewels', which he was never going to get.
    4: Turned down a chance to apper on HBO

    And more importantly

    5: Entered into a long term agreement with Showtime, HBO' rivals

    May 2, 2001
    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Boxing%3a+Jones+Yes+to+a+fight+with+Joe.-a073966749

    The article states that the deal was two years, which effectively killed any chance the fight could happen from 2001-2003.

    Seeing as how Calzaghe was still fighting on Showtime in 06, then we can safely say that he was renewing his contract with them. By his own actions he killed any chance that fight could of got made. He was saying one thing, while doing his best to put as many obstacles in the way of the fight.
     
  9. Loudon

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    After getting owned, bailey supposedly does the disappearing act, but rumours has it he has gone to PC world to get one of these:-

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    Funniest thing I've ever seen on here! Haha! Brilliant!
     
  10. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    So according to you, Calzaghe didnt have to fight Liles 97-99, because 10+ years later a guy on ESB said that Liles was past prime by the time he fought Ballagou?

    Because Calzaghe beat a Mitchell who was coming off a clear loss to Ottke in 03, then he didnt have to fight Liles 97-99?

    Terrible reasoning
     
  11. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ...and i could explain to you 100 times more, like i have 100 times in the past why calzaghe calling out jones from wales meant diddly squat...

    but you dont want to listen to reason, you just want to compile a list of stats which work in your favor, ignore anything that doesnt, and then rinse - repeat everything because (for some reason) you dont have anything in your life to be passionate about to stop you waking up to groundhog day every day you log in here.

    and the tragic thing is that you dont believe yourself what you post here, you only do it because you're british.
    if you lived somewhere else you'd be doing exactly the same thing for other underachievers / local heroes

    you dont know any british fighters personally, none of them know you personally or care to, so how about if you wake up tomorrow and build up your own life instead of wasting it on this ****?

    to the good general, i applaud you for beating bailey at her own statistical game but taking a common sense and thorough approach.

    you are my new favourite poster
     
  12. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    Conventiately forgetting to mention that Calzaghe had pulled out of their proposed fight 3 times

    Also:

    June 2, 2006
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:p_Xr7J6wcqoJ:sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story%3Fid%3D2466229+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a
    We can now say he pulled out of the Johnson fight 4 times
     
  13. VivaNazVegas

    VivaNazVegas Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Her?
    Does Bailey claim to be a female?
     
  14. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    no idea
    he/she was always nice and polite when i was sending tells about why he/she doesnt stop this **** and move on....so i assumed it was a gal

    never had a bad word to say

    EDIT also said he/she had housework to do so it was why he/she didnt always reply straight away, though i suspected it was checking up on the latest joe stats that could be used in his defence
     
  15. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    Excellent points
    Thanks:good