Calzaghe, Jones and Hopkins

being able to adapt to an opponent and being able to fight in adversity are massive qualities in the fight game and they are 2 huge advantages for calzaghe over jones.

 

This is truly an amazing post.:good

I have always picked peak Jones to stop Calzaghe, in a very entertaining hard fought match.. James Toney had an iron jaw, and a great defense, and was hurt on occasion and weathered the storm with masterful defense and head movement.. Calzaghe would have fought fire with fire, and as you point out, Roy has the firepower and the speed... Stylistically, I think Roy would be a nightmare for Joe

I pick the LHW version of Roy to outpoint him. Roy generally didn't throw as many combos at LHW, didn't take quite as many risks and was ok to coast and potshot to decisions..

 

Rjj of the Montell Griffen rematch would have battered Zaggers.

 

true,

its also worth pointing out that Joe adapted becasue he was FORCED to adapt, in that he wasnt inherently skilled enough to beat several substandard boxers with his skill alone. So he often needed to fall back on workrate.

Whereas Jones rarely needed to adapt, because he was light years above the substandards, standards and often the excellent boxers.

 

Joe's style, he was hit quite a bit, but was able to keep pressing and outwork fighters with his insane fitness.. This is a great attribute to have, but wouldn't work with a prime Roy, unless he like Roy had elite power...which he didn't... Now a prime Calzaghe with Roy Jones power in each hand? that would be a nightmare for Roy. But Calzaghe's power was no where near Roy's.

Not even Joe Calzaghe would have much luck fighting that kind of fight with a prime Roy for 12 rounds... He would have eaten too many hard shots... It would have been great to see though. Calzaghe surely would have made him fight as hard as he can.:yep

 

yeah he would have lost his looks if he'd faced Roy. No fight is worth that is you have a fairly good looking (no homo) face. Which reminds me, we havent seen a Zaghenuthugger post a picture of shot2**** Roys face being torn up by postprime Joe Calzaghe. This would be about the right time for them to post one up of Zaghe beating up a shot old man's face as his ultimate career fight............

I am a Zaghe fan but seeing pictures of Zaghes beating up shot guys who can barely raise their arms is so cringeyworthy...please dont do it, my fellow brits! Its like posting a pic of Holmes beating up Ali and then laughing! Come on we have more class than that!

 

how do you know thats true when joe had never beaten a proven world class fighter in his prime...until kessler beat froch and gave him that?

 

Dude just ignore him, he knows everything he says is false.
He knows that prime Roy Jones jr is better than prime Joe Calzaghe

 

I like Joe too...

I think he was a great fighter. But I have thought out how H2H against Prime Roy would go, and I just can't logically find any strength that makes me believe Calzaghe would win..

When they actually fought, it was a joke... Roy was shot to bits, Calzaghe a little past it.But still great fitness and work rate.... Perfect style to beat up on old Roy, and Hopkins. That is why I don't take that fight into account when thinking of their primes... Had Calzaghe used those same tactics? he would have been knocked out for sure. He dropped his hands, and Roy wouldn't even punch him for christ sakes, showing Roy had little confidence in his ability to go 12 rounds throwing punches.

James Toney was a defensive wizard with an iron chin, and tried that for a split second, look what happened...

I also think Prime Roy, would have put more of an attempt on finishing Calzaghe off when he was hurt.

I have never seen Bailey or anyone for that matter break down the fighters strengths and weaknesses and tell me why they think Joe would win...

All they do is post the fight and say they can't tell a difference in that Jones vs. a Prime Jones, which makes it almost useless to even debate.

 

Not in this fight they wouldn't be. There is nothing Calzaghe can adapt to that would trouble a peak Jones, he simply doesn't have enough in his locker to bring out anything to ruffle Jones, even if he adapts, re-adapts, and adapts again.

I don't think Calzaghe does have a big advantage over Jones in terms of fighting in adversity though. Jones did brilliantly in adversity in the first Grffin fight, where he was down on the cards and being outfought, then used will and skills to turn it all back in his favour, and was on the brink of a classic come-from-behind stoppage win by the time of the DQ.

Jones also displayed great fighting in adversity abilities in the 1st Tarver fight. For the first time ever for Jones, that night he realized his body was no longer the 'Superman' physical phenomenon that had coasted through the 90s. He was weight-drained from the cut, getting older, and his movement/stamina were not the same. He was facing a very good opponent, a hard hitter, who was very determined, and who was backing Jones up, unloading on him, and yet Jones bit down on the mouthpiece, fought for long periods on the ropes because his legs were no longer what they were, and deserved a hard-fought, narrow decision.

What was Calzaghe's "adversity" that was so much greater than these two excellent examples of fighting successfully through genuine adversity? Getting knocked down by a candlestick maker called Kabary Salem? Or rising to get a premature stoppage vs Byron Mitchell? Or pretending he was injured after going life and death with Robin Reid?

Jones proved he could fight through adversity against better opponents than Joe did.

 

You just fed the troll.
Get ready to have an argument where no matter how right you are, you will never win.
Great job

 

Solid, logical post :good

 

Logic doesn't work on trolls

 

women do.only bored virgins troll