Calzaghe, Jones and Hopkins

Not really, because I will only reply to the troll if the troll genuinely refutes my argument. Which he is utterly incapable of doing. So I will leave his reply alone, safe in the knowledge that anyone who knows their **** will be able to see that I made the more cogent points, regardless of whether he got the "last word". I just drop in, pepper some sound logic and reasoning around, and depart. Saves time/credibility. :good

 

I have to say, this is a very good post.:good

It can also be said that Roy "adapted" his game plan from the first Griffin fight to the second.

 

feed them a Christian.

or a hobbit.

 

Is that picture of Joe Calzaghe or the singer from Maroon 5?

 

Bailey has already schooled you on this subject before, so there's no need to go into it again. Funny how you parrot the same nonsense.

Don King already stated that Calzaghe 'really brought good ratings'. So once again you're making yourself look like an idiot.

Now stop right there, money is the most important thing in boxing. How stupid are you? Why did Jones take fights with terrible opposition? For money you muppet, he sure as **** didn't fight them for belts and recognition atschatsch

Calzaghe pulled out of fights 4 times in his career citing injuries, they happen, in competitive sports they're fairly common.

As I stated, the likes of Steve Collins did all the aforementioned things and Jones wouldn't face him. So now you acknowledge that Calzaghe's camp did enquire about the fight then? Changing your tune from the original post.

Oh my atsch

You didn't show me anything, you're becoming more and more of a waste of time. That video completely shot you down and you haven't recovered, because that's Roy Jones himself stating that Joe wanted to fight him for the longest time. Add to that, I have a court transcript where Frank ****** confirms that they tried to get Roy Jones, another source which you've conveniently ignored, a trait which is typical of you

 

I offered a compliment in a bid to make things more civil, you're clearly a tosser who's too far up his own arse.

Behave, you quoted the exact same guy to support yourself!

Calzaghe is not nearly my favourite fighter. But I respect that he was excellent, and am a fan. What amuses me is how much controversy he generates, people cannot get over him, he retired almost 4 years ago! Yet there are still troglodytes like yourself making threads about him
No surprises, considering you're another sad case who's still upset that Joe beat your favourite fighters.

- Calzaghe was never anywhere near being stopped in 46 fights, and he faced some terrific punchers.
- Who did Jones stop that was as fit and durable as Calzaghe? No-one
- Calzaghe was not a very good boxer? He won decisions over Kessler and Hopkins in back to back fights, how many average boxers can accomplish that?
- Calzaghe was very effective past his physical prime, Jones wasn't.
- I would favour Jones to win over 12 rounds, to say he stops him in 6 rounds is ****ing stupid to say the least

Now why have you ignored this?

Ickels is referring to Antwun Echols.

That's a court transcript, not a ****ing interview from NOTW or a quote from Barry Mcguigan :rofl

and then finally, this which shoots you down completely

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Now, you try and dismiss this, but you haven't at all. All you can do is try and pass your opinions off as facts, which is complete nonsense.

Finally

More words from Jones himself. I just quote it straight from the men involved, you just rabbit stating your own opinions.


Now then, I will re-iterate, I don't think Roy Jones ducked Calzaghe at all. At the same time, you cannot state Calzaghe ducked Roy Jones, the fight just wasn't really viable when both were prime. Enquiries were clearly made, and there was dialogue between the parties, but it wasn't feasible due to them being in contracts with different networks.

If the fight did happen, I'd pick Jones to win on points, but it wouldn't be easy at all, anyone who thinks so doesn't know much about boxing itself

 

yep Jones wouldnt stop Joe.

knock him down a few times definitely, but no stoppage, just a horrible bloody fac plus a subsequent loss of a future acting career for the welsh man and probably retirement from the sport (seeing as he loved his zero losses so much).

 

Roy has not knocked out anyone as durable as Calzaghe, well maybe not...

But when was Calzagahe's durability tested with a punch like the one Virgil Hill took in the body? Or the leaping left hook/uppercut that got Griffin?

Calzaghe was a durable fighter, yes. But he never fought anyone close with Roy Jones' speed and power, and Calzaghe was a come at you fighter that outworked people... He would eat shots. Shots that he has not proven he can take.

Stylistically, I just don't see the way Calzaghe fights helping him against a prime Jones... I don't think predicting a KO is stupid just because Calzaghe has never been close to being stopped in 46 fights.

 

Untrue. :nono

1 - Roy stopped Thomas Tate in 2 rounds in '94 at mw, and this was the only stoppage defeat of Tate's career. In 1992, Tate fought Julian Jackson for the WBC mw title, and went the full 12 rounds. At the time, I believe that Jackson's record was a ridiculous 44-1 (42 KOs), and something like his last THIRTY-FIVE wins in a row were by stoppage! Thomas Tate was the man to snap this ATG run of devastation. But Jones finished him in 2 rounds!! As I said, it was the only time Tate was ever stopped, despite fighting on at world level til he was 37 years old, including bouts with Silvio Branco, Merqui Sosa, Sven Ottke (twice), Fernando Zuniga and Omar Sheika.

2 - Roy knocked out Sugarboy Malinga in 6 rounds in '93 at mw, and this was the only stoppage defeat of Malinga's career until he got stopped in the final two bouts of his career at the age of 44/45. Malinga went the full distance with world champs like Nigel Benn (twice), Chris Eubank, Robin Reid, Rocchigiani, Nardiello and Woodhall, but Jones was the only man to ever get the KO before he was an ancient sack of bones long overdue for retirement. To go 10 rounds with a prime Benn in the early 90s is evidence of a stern chin in itself.

 

These are some good points.. Makes you realize how underrated Roy's resume is on here... He has wins in this sort of fashion that aren't even talked about much..

Had Calzaghe stopped those guys, his fans would be saying he was the greatest puncher ever.

 

Calzaghe couldn't stop prime Tate or Malinga if they were tied up in the ropes WWE style, and he had titanium wraps in his gloves, and 15 rounds to play with, old school style.

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:nono

 

^ This

 

Joe was more savvy and naturally bigger than the likes of Tate and Malinga. He has fantastic recovery powers as well, Head movement and excellent reflexes. To say he gets stopped in 6 rounds is stupid. Joe is a better boxer and tactician than you give him credit for, you're describing him as though he was a simple plodder.

When Salem KD'd him, he rocked Joe moments before with a massive headbutt, so that's different. Joe wasn't close to being stopped ever in his career. Jones' power was really good at 160-168, but he wasn't Julian Jackson

In my opinion, Jones' most important attributes in this fight would be his foot speed and foot work

 

Hi pal! Great debate, it's been a pleasure.

We'll leave it there then shall we?

We shall agree to disagree, with a firm handshake.

I've loved every minute of it, and we'll find another topic to discuss.

Thanks a lot Knockout.

Regards, Loudon.

 

I really dont think Roy would stop Calzaghe, MR. Whilst Calzaghe could be floored by Roy's punches, he woudl recover too quick to be stopped.

Quite apart from Roy fighting someone naturally bigger than him in Calzaghe (Joe was a borderline LH, whilst Roy was a natural MW), Calzaghe also has a good chin and great recovery plus he is quite spirited once he gets engaged. He doesnt give up once hes in the ring, even if hes quite cowardly in his decisions outside it.

So Roy will probably floor Calzaghe at least once but he aint stopping him. Joe keeps coming back for more, thats if he ever developed the guts to face him inthe first place.

It would be a fight in which you'd end up feeling sorry for Joe because he'd be made to look very ordinary, but also very brave, and he'd win a lot of fans for such a display. If you think about it, its a great shame he didnt chase the fight - if he;d got it then the inevitable loss would have humanised him and made hhim both more recognisable to the USA and elict more pathos from its boxing fans, amassive career boost for him - thus it was a step backwards for him when instead he chose to stay safe and undefeated, IMHO.