Calzaghe, Jones and Hopkins

And here we go again.
Th only person who is convinced that that video footage means the end of this thread is you. Who here has been convinced so far? No one and that is why this thread is still going.

For the record how on earth are you going to try and pass of a suspect court transcript from another boxing forum, posted up by an unknown poster, as evidence? How do you know its legit? There is a reason why people quote from legit websites and not from unknown posters in boxing forums.

Civil? From a poster hurling personal insults? The thing is I have always been civil and have never insulted anyone here. The thing is you just can't cope with the fact that I'm calling Calzaghe a liar, and he is.

And the evidence matches up quite well with the quotes of his I have used. why else would he fight Hopkins instead of Dawson, or Pavik instead of Jones, or how about fighing Tocker Pudwell instead of moving up to fight DM?

-Joe Calzaghe
sounds about right to me

ps: For the record I find it hilarious the why you overlook all of Calzaghe's lies.

 

Of course I believe you, which is why you always appear in every Calzaghe thread ready to defend him. Constantly trashing the resumes of any fighter who people try to compare to him, and crying because no one here will accept your amazing video footage.

No semi-decent fighter should get stopped in 46 fights if he is fighting the guys who Calzaghe fought. It took him 9 years before he faced a fighter ranked in the Ring top ten who wasn't coming off a recent loss

Terrific punchers? Like who? Lacy? Kessler? Who have those guys koed worth mentioning?

Popkins has answered that question already I would also like to add Sosa as well

His overall boxing technique was quite poor in his prime.

-he pawed with the jab
-slapped his hooks
-open to right hooks and right crosses

Who did Calzaghe ever outbox worth mentioning? He basically outworked his opponents with his midrange flurries. He outworked Hopkins who was throwing on average 18 punches per round. Taylor beat Hopkins more convincingly than that. Kessler barely got past Froch, who is tough but limited, and lost every round to Ward, who was a green contender.

So what? They followed a different path so its hard to compare and irrelevant anyway, because we are talking prime 4 prime

 

Calzaghe Jones h2h part 2

Probable outcomes Jones stoppage or decision

Offense : Jones

The punches Jones used agains Reggie Johnson
-Counter left hook over a lazy jab
-Right cross
-right hook

Durability: Calzaghe

Punches that Calzaghe has shown a vunerability to over the years:
Right hooks. Reid and Woodhall couldnt miss and he was dropped by right hooks from Mitchel and Salem

Calzaghe has never faced a puncher who hit as hard as Jones, so I think your confidence in Calzaghe's durabiliy is a little bit misplaced.

He was dropped and hurt by Mitchell. Who wasnt really a big puncher. He dropped Liles a number of times, but Liles didnt posses the best chin. That fight shouldnt even of got stopped either

He got dropped and hurt by Salem who also wasnt a very big puncher

He got dropped by Hopkins who had him down in the first round. Hopkins had average power at mw and has 0 kos at lhw

He was dropped by shot Jones, who was not even commiting to his punches, bcause he was still shell shocked from the Tarver and glen kos

Contrast:

Jones will catch Calzaghe with counters over his subpar jab. Land with frequency with right hooks and right crosses. Jones hit a lot harder than anyone Calzaghe faced who had him down and hurt


but apart from that its ****ing stupid to suggest he gets stopped?

 

Maybe because I question its legitamcy?
Maybe because it supports me more than it does you? I was chasing a fight while signed up with a rival network? Jones turned down offers, but now its they were signed to rival networks?

Bailey quotes?

Where is the source for that quote? You do have one right? Or are you again trying to pass off any duboius info you find anywhere as legit again?

I never said he did. I said he never chased the fight

It would of been if Calzaghe had fought on HBo back in 99

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVAmaBv1aQI"][/ame]
And who is it that pointed that out? Me or you? It was seven years Calzaghe said so. Now it's there were only enquires and they were tied to different networks.

The point of this thread was to highlight the fact that neither Hopkins or Calzaghe chased a fight with Jones when Jones was in his prime, but they did after Jones went 0-3.

Thank for finally agreeing with me:good

THE END

 

Thanks:good

-He would of been a bad matchup for Calzaghe like McCallum, reggie Johnson and Kalamby were all bad matchups for Collins

-Jones was fighting naturally bigger guys which would explain why he became more of a precision puncher, like Mayweather at ww

 

Thanks:good

 

No, he wasnt. He was a slugger with a limited skill set. He also had never beaten anyone worth mentioning before he faced Calzaghe either. He was exposed to an extent against Sheika. Who was beating him to the punch, constantly landing lead rights, and slipping under his telegraphed hooks. If someone like Shieka, a fringe contender, can do that do you that the chances are a decent fighter will do even better.

No, he didnt. He was the same fighter going into the Mendoza fight, he just wasnt as reckless as before. The fact is that Lacy fullfilled his potential, which was to grab a belt and rack up some title defenses.

Lacy said he was back better than ever going into the Mendoza fight and I believe him. How else was he able to go life and death with a journeyman coming off a loss?

Because he said it that meant he was going to go through with it? Because as we all know saint joe never lies about anything

Look at where Roy was back in 2008
1: money problems he lost tens of millions on bad real estate deals and his rap label
2: His pofessional career was basically over. He was 0-3 in his last three fights against relevant opponents. There was no way he was going o be able to work his way back into a title shot again
3: He had lost his HBo contract and they had also sacked him from his lucrative commentator Job

Calzaghe give Jones a 50% split as a fighter and as co-promoter. ****** said himself that if he was involved in that deal then Jones would of got nowhere near that much. Calzaghe basically handed Jones 3m+. Don't you think Jones might of been a bit grateful? Where else was he ever going to earn that amount of money?

And there lies your problem, because no one here has paid much attention to it and when they have they have been dismissive. Calzaghe could not have possibly been chasing that fight for 6-7 years, which means his lying. so if he is lying how on earth can Jones be telling the truth?

Stop boxrecing

He was out of shape, which is why he struggled against Tiberi. He was clearly the better fighter, but his workrate was too inconsistent. It's not like he got outboxed or koed. Eubank got gift decisions left, right and center, but you will never mention those. Benn got outboxed and got a gift against Malinga, who was no better than Tiberi.

Toney won the fight against Saunderline Williams and got a dubious decision. He was also a green contender with not much amateur experience, he was basically learning his trade on the job. even if he had lost it wouldn't of mattered because he was just a green contender.

He would also go on to beat guys like Nunn, Johnson and McCallum, the same McCallum who Hearns "missed", but don't let me stop you from pursuing your agenda. A couple of months ago it was Jones beating Toney doesn't mean anything, because Toney was weight drained, now it's: " oh he lost to Tiberi, so we can now ignore all of Toney's' accomplishments and hence Jones's best win."

 

Liles wasn't well known in America, it's the reason he had to defend his belt in his opponents backyards.
Liles also has to take his share of the blame for how things worked out as well. You do know what happened, or are you talking about stuff you know nothin nothing about?



No one knows exactly why the Benn-Jones fight never happened. A good case can be made that it was Kings fault.

Liles was also promoted by Don King

Please stop rewording my posts and passing them of as if they were your own. Lampley also said that Calzaghe ducked Johnson, but I doubt if you will ever quote those words

That's just silly.
He was a tall, but lean mw until he bulked up around the Echols II fight. Or are you trying to imply that he was weight drained during his 10 years at mw?

Why is it that you are so willing to believe stuff like waarren's supposed offer to Hopkins? Do you really think that ****** had 3m to give to Hopkins?

The most money Showtime will pay for any fight is 2m

http://www.secondsout.com/features/main-features/hbo-2008

The most Showtime were willing to pay for Tarver-Calzaghe back in 2004 was 1m

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Tarve...inks+we'll+pay+that+to+him+for...-a0120040866

so Where on Earth was ****** going to get 3m from? Hopkins has never been a draw or a well liked champion and Calzaghe was completely unknown back in the states. Where on earth is ****** going to 3m for Hopkins and maybe another 2m for Calzaghe from?

 

Flawed logic.
Woods was only a green contender at smw and wouldn't hit his prime until after he lost to Jones
Johnson only became good when he hooked up with Qawi at lhw.

Ottke, Reid, Brewer, Veit and Woodhall etc were nothing special. They grabbed a belt, racked up some defenses and that is about it.

Reid lost to a 40 year old Malinga. Ottke needed gift decisions to get past Johnson and reid. Brewer would retire with 11 losses most of them by ko to medicore opponents. Veit was a fringe contender

Jones and Dm should make the hof. Johnson was voted ring fighter of the year in 2004. Griffin was solid when he was with Futch R.Johnson was past prime, but he still was a solid technician

Bizarre
He wanted the fight so much that he did absolutely nothing to make it happen? I want to be a long distance runner but I refuse to train?

****** back in 06 contacted Roy about the possibility of fighting Calzaghe in Wales. Jones said he didn't want to go to wales see here:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVAmaBv1aQI[/ame]

Go to 1:00

I first noticed Joe after he beat Chris Eubank, but he backed down on the quality of his opponents so I releashed the idea of fighting him.
I noticed him again after he beat Jeff Lacy

"I didnt want to go to his country"
"Warrren did not want to bring him to America"
-Jones
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If you call that "chasing a fight for 6-7 years" then I really am at a loss for words.

can't you see you have failed to win anyone over with that video. Time to try someting else:smoke

As for the quote from 99 it holds up quite well when you take a look at the guys Joe could of fought against the guys he actually did fight.

 

Thanks:good

 

Thats kind of funny coming from you. A poster who only posts in these forums to defend Calzaghe and trash the resumes of all other fighters who get compared to him.

Don King said his ratings were good in America
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13600137&postcount=449

It should be pointed out that those were his ratings after Lacy when his "popularity" would of been at its highest