Calzaghe-Kessler re-visited closer than people think

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by The Phenom, Oct 23, 2008.


  1. TFFP

    TFFP Guest

    Yes, I would think so. The standards are set pretty high for Bute though, a 12-0 domination to match. So he has to KO him really to better that.

    He doesn't really need to do so. A 9-3 type convincing win would be enough to get some excitement going for Bute-Kessler. Especially as some might argue Kessler has not been fighting enough, and the different styles matchup.
     
  2. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calz. vs. Kessler was my favorite fight of 2007, granted I mostly watch the big ones. Both great fighters and well matched. The way Calz. adjusted to Kessler was a great display. I have not watched in a while, but scoring wise I had Calzaghe way out front by maybe 8-4 or even 9-3, but the fight was much more competitive than my score indicates as many of the rounds were close.
     
  3. The Phenom

    The Phenom Pretty Handsome Full Member

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    I originally thoought the fight was at least 116-112 for Joe,but after watching the fight this morning I changed my mind.
     
  4. mstar

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    1. Kessler
    2. Even
    3. Calzaghe
    4. Kessler
    5. Calzaghe
    6. Calzaghe
    7. Calzaghe
    8. Calzaghe
    9. Even
    10. Calzaghe
    11. Calzaghe
    12. Even/Kessler

    From rounds 5-11 Kessler was outsmarted by Calzaghe, joes smarts and tactics changing during the fight, thats what makes calzaghe a special fighter changing to whats in the ring. Many fighters come to fights with plan a,b,c,d etc but not every opponent are predictable to have plans to counter.

    Great performance by calzaghe
     
  5. The Phenom

    The Phenom Pretty Handsome Full Member

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    Round 10 was alot closer than round 9 and Kessler clearly won round 12.
     
  6. Bodysnatcher

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  7. DINAMITA

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    This guy knows what 'elite' means. These four guys are the current world elite. You can't say a guy who has been a short-term supermiddleweight champion, has never been p4p ranked, nor has ever beaten anyone who was p4p ranked, is an "elite" fighter.
     
  8. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I have watched it three times......

    Once live
    Once the week after on BBC
    About a month ago

    Live I was thinking 116-112
    The week after was 115-113
    I have now settled on 116-113
     
  9. The Phenom

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    When Miguel Cotto beat Shane Mosley last year Ring magazine stated 'Cotto beat the first genuinely elite opponent of his career'and Mosley was not ranked in their p4p top ten at the time.
    Elite=top 15 pound for pound
     
  10. DINAMITA

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    I disagree, to me the word "elite" means the very very top-class of fighter (ie you can't say the elite is always the top 15, because what if boxing goes through a bad period and the majority of the top 15 are pretty poor? They are then more liable to lose and therefore should not be called "elite") but even then, Kessler wouldn't be in my top 15 p4p and I doubt he is in The Ring's.

    Right now there is a clear world-elite, it's Pacquiao, Marquez, Hopkins and Calzaghe.

    In history, there is a clear 7 fighter elite IMO:
    Robinson, Greb, Langford, Armstrong, Ali, Charles, Duran.

    This is my understanding of the word "elite", not anyone who wins a title in any weight division and defends it a couple of times.
     
  11. The Phenom

    The Phenom Pretty Handsome Full Member

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    117-111 certainly not
    116-112 arguable
    115-113 correct score in my opinion
    115-114 arguable
    But Joe did deserve to win the fight and that's the most important thing.
     
  12. riggers

    riggers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What the word elite means and what it means to you may be 2 different things. It means the top or the top group, how big that group is is up for debate. Kessler was an undefeated reigning unified world champion, who ran the other undefeated reigning unified world champion in his division damn close. To me that makes him an elite fighter
     
  13. The Phenom

    The Phenom Pretty Handsome Full Member

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    Duran would not be in most peoples top 7 fighters ever.There is nothing between him and Ray Leonard in terms of greatness.Willie Pep and Joe Louis are up there in most peoples eyes.
     
  14. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nope, Dawson is already elite, Kessler's not quite there and never will be. :good
     
  15. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    :patsch :-(
    Horrible fail