Calzaghe, most ducked man in boxing

Owned by who, a bunch of trolls?

You guys are a waste of time.

Stop sticking up for your Euro fighters. it's so sad.

 

You want to know how Joe could have lost? = 1997 Roy Jones Jr. Someone who is even faster, slicker, and hits harder then Calzaghe. Your answer is a prime Roy Jones Jr. If Jones didnt go up to HW and didnt have that Bull**** DQ loss on his record he could have easily retired undefeated at around 50-0. However we cant say for sure cause it never happened as you say, but to think that Calzaghe would crumble Sweat Pea if they were the same size I think is absurd. I'm not saying Joe couldnt beat Whitaker but he sure as hell wouldnt slap him around for 12 rounds and make it look easy.

 

I respect your opinion but totally disagree with that.

Joe got the nod on the judges against a master boxer in Hopkins whilst Bernard put on a great defensive gameplan. Ottke had nothing on even a 43yr old Hopkins IMO, fighter A beats fighter B so fighter A beats fighter C doesn't always work but I really feel Ottke was below the standard of Calzaghe. I've watched watched several of his fights and to me he didn't look anything special.....and struggled immensely to a split-decision with the likes of Byron Mitchell, a mere 3 months before Joe had Mitchell out of there in 2 rounds.

 

A prime Ottke too much for a prime calzaghe? :rofl:rofl
are you ben ottke, sven's promoter brother.
Ottke beats calzaghe only in 1 way, Fight in germany, judges & ref all paid up and it goes to a decision. Oh wait Ottke did have many fights like that I forgot.
If there is no cheating Ottke gets outclassed.

 

It's useless Dan :tired

 

I agree that Ottke would lose to Calzaghe, I mentioned him only because he would have a chance of beating him but a very slight one. Only reason I give him a shot is because he was great at avoiding power punches and had a decent chin also and like thechamp1000 said if it took place in germany Joe could recieve a huge screw job by the judges. I would take Hopkins over Ottke as well but out of the before mentioned fighters I think a Prime Jones is the only one that could really beat Calzaghe, and Ottke comes in 2nd place with a slim chance of maybe 20% of beating Joe in Germany, and a 5% chance of beating him anywhere else. So I do agree with you Joe over Ottke in a fairly one sided contest, but anything can happen in boxing and I think Ottke has a slightly better chance of pulling off the upset then a Steve Collins of James Toney just based on style.

 

[ king DAN ] how did you come to that conclusion fella? i mean even jones said straight out of his own mouth, he "was in best shape in years". how can you possibly say roy was not half his prime, damn ass, he got spark out by tarver and johnson year and a bit after he came down from heavyweight... please explain?

as for bernard his easily the biggest coward in boxing...constantly fighting blown ups...wont suprise me if he fights pacman next....fact is both hopkins and jones didnt want none calzaghe when they were in prime..dont make excuses

 

By McClennan do you mean Gerald McClellan? If so he was a dangerous KO artist but when you get him in the ring with a skilled boxer (Benn) he gets worn down and taken out. I'll agree that Roy Jones doesnt have a much better resume overall the Calzaghe because yes Joe's resume is underrated because he fought in England and fought Euro fighters and its not fair to say that he fought nobody's because thats just not true. I still think based on performances alone a prime Roy Jones is slightly better then a prime Calzaghe, thats how I have seen it over the years. I dont know how the hell you can say Jones never had punching power, if a prime Joe beats a prime Jones its not because Jones doesnt hit hard or has a glass Joe. If you think a prime Jones had low power and a glass jaw then you obviously never watched his fights.

 

Why the **** would the P4P king go to whales to fight Joe? Jones had the title and was the universally recognized champ. That in itself should tell you that Joe should have challenged Jones, not the other way around. Last time i checked, Joe had no plans on coming to the states until Jones and Hopkins were collecting social security checks.

By the way, Jones in his prime would have made Joe look no better than a bartender himself...:deal

Now **** off with your bull****.

 

DAMN! haha, a bit rough but overall thats what my gut tells me would have happened. Prime Jones over Calzaghe UD 12. Make no mistake about it though Joe is a great fighter and deserves alot of credit, but he just falls a tiny bit short of beating a prime Roy Jones, and if you wanna look at the whole P4P thing he loses to a Prime Robinson, Trinidad, Duran, Leonard, and Hagler as well. But Joe would clear out the rest of the top fighters of the 154 - 175 pound weight classes over the last 20 years or so. Calzaghe is great but he is not the best of the last 25 years.

 

I agree on the style, Calzaghe hates that type of fighter. That's why I brought up Hopkins though - Master of Defence! I pretty much agree with the rest of your post - you certainly have a good point about the officiating in Germany.

I wish Calzaghe and Hopkins had fought back in their prime. I'd be intrigued to see how it went down, both Hopkins and Calzaghe had a very different approach to their current styles back then.

 

Honestly im a big Calzaghe fan but i gots to agree:rofl:rofl:rofl